stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[vaylorie]

Since criminals follow the laws, instead of going after the guns, we should just make a law that says performing mass shootings is illegal. If we couple that with imaginary lines around places that we don't want guns to be (we could call them gun-free zones), this should solve all of the issues.

Seems like an open and shut case for more legislation. Call your representatives!

On an unrelated note, of the 62 mass shootings that were recorded since the early 80's, semi-automatic rifles were used 9 times (handguns were used 41 times). Also unrelated, 94% of the shooters were either confirmed or showed signs of mental illness. I think there is clear evidence that guns make people mentally ill therefore I propose a ban on mental illness.

You can take action! (think of the poor kids) Call your representatives to put a stop to mental illness!

[gloine36]

A very good book on the Second Amendment was written by Saul Cornell. It is A Well-Regulated Militia: the Founding Fathers and the Origins of Gun Control in America .j I found it to be very well researched and interesting. The gun nuts hated it, but the gun nuts lack understanding of context when it comes to historical studies. Interestingly the conclusion is that the Founders did not want to disarm the people, but they also saw the need for reasonable gun laws. When it came to resisting the authority of the federal government, the Founders made it extremely clear that the only way to do that via armed force was through the state militias, not individual actions.
Anything other than the state militias involving armed rebellion was treason and was put down more than once in the early years of the Republic.

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by gloine36 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't give a fuck how many guns you own. Some Gun control is legal and is going to happen whether you like it or not.

There you go smart guy. Fixed that for you.

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by gloine36 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
There ya go. You're refuted. I'm amazed at the stupidity of the gun nuts when it comes to their ignorance. Let me explain it gently. You're outnumbered. I don't give a fuck how many guns you own. Gun control is legal and is going to happen whether you like it or not. You can scream, bitch, holler, or pee down your leg about it, but it will happen. If you choose to be a criminal then you can go to jail.
If you want to see more little kids get massacred then keep going on with the mantra of more guns. People like you are the problem and the reason for the gun culture in this country.

Originally Posted by ArticleLinked

And no matter what the outcome of that analysis, the results aren't necessarily applicable to the USA, where laws regarding gun ownership are (and always have been) much different than those in Australia.

Now who was refuted? You really should read your sources before you post though.

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by gloine36 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A very good book on the Second Amendment was written by Saul Cornell. It is A Well-Regulated Militia: the Founding Fathers and the Origins of Gun Control in America .j I found it to be very well researched and interesting. The gun nuts hated it, but the gun nuts lack understanding of context when it comes to historical studies. Interestingly the conclusion is that the Founders did not want to disarm the people, but they also saw the need for reasonable gun laws. When it came to resisting the authority of the federal government, the Founders made it extremely clear that the only way to do that via armed force was through the state militias, not individual actions.
Anything other than the state militias involving armed rebellion was treason and was put down more than once in the early years of the Republic.

Read title of the thread.

[patriot1776]

mexico has among the strictest gun control laws in the world and is in the middle of a fucking civil war

[patriot1776]

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Originally Posted by gloine36 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A very good book on the Second Amendment was written by Saul Cornell. It is A Well-Regulated Militia: the Founding Fathers and the Origins of Gun Control in America .j I found it to be very well researched and interesting. The gun nuts hated it, but the gun nuts lack understanding of context when it comes to historical studies. Interestingly the conclusion is that the Founders did not want to disarm the people, but they also saw the need for reasonable gun laws. When it came to resisting the authority of the federal government, the Founders made it extremely clear that the only way to do that via armed force was through the state militias, not individual actions.
Anything other than the state militias involving armed rebellion was treason and was put down more than once in the early years of the Republic.

Originally Posted by patriot1776 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

[Vellatri]

Originally Posted by gloine36 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
There ya go. You're refuted.

Originally Posted by Vellatri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course you didn't provide specifics. You can't, because Snopes didn't refute any of the points I listed.

You might want to actually try reading your own link, and compare its points with the ones I listed here. None of it was refuted.

Even if it was, I actually went to the primary sources. (You did read what I wrote, right? You didn't just see, "Australia blah blah guns blah blah." Right?) Snopes is only a secondary source.

[patriot1776]

Yea actually that link just made the countercase of what you thought. It clearly shows violent crime skyrocketing even on the snopes propaganda data.

[Alawen]

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