stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[OforOppression]

king arthur wouldnt have let america slip into such a degradated state

[patriot1776]

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[Humerox]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Instead of leaning on your philosophical point, please better evaluate the data or show any proof that gun controls do reduce violent crime. I'm made a fairly clear and evidence-based case whereas through 25 pages there has been absolutely no proof that gun controls reduce violent crime.

You won't get it.

Science cannot provide you a clear-cut, absolute answer. The issue is that studying the impact of gun laws on violent crime isn't really the simple question that it appears to be. Instead, we're talking about many different individual laws, written in different ways and enforced in different manners. One law might fail while another succeeds. Where those laws are implemented makes a difference, because a new, strict gun law in a place surrounded by similar laws is going to have a different outcome than the same law in a place where you can just cross a border and find completely different legislation.

Some studies are funded by biased institutions. Some studies aren't peer reviewed. Some studies feature poorly thought-out methodology.

All of that leads to a mess of frequently contradictory conclusions that can be used to support just about any position you'd like to put forward. So, basically, just because you can support your position, don't think that makes you absolutely correct. This goes for both sides.

However...it HAS BEEN PROVEN WITHOUT A DOUBT that gun legislation absolutely reduces mass killings by firearm. People can knock themselves off all they want in this country. Just as long as they don't knock off a bunch of kids in school, take out an entire movie theater, or mow down a bunch of people in a cafeteria.

We've never been arguing the same issue.

[patriot1776]

The Newtown Shooting happened in a gun control zone.

[vaylorie]

You are scared of something that is about as statistically as likely as getting struck by lightning. Because you are scared, you want me to be afraid also and you want to remove my liberties. You don't get it. You let your fear control your decision making and wonder why I call you a fool.

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You won't get it.

Science cannot provide you a clear-cut, absolute answer. The issue is that studying the impact of gun laws on violent crime isn't really the simple question that it appears to be. Instead, we're talking about many different individual laws, written in different ways and enforced in different manners. One law might fail while another succeeds. Where those laws are implemented makes a difference, because a new, strict gun law in a place surrounded by similar laws is going to have a different outcome than the same law in a place where you can just cross a border and find completely different legislation.

Some studies are funded by biased institutions. Some studies aren't peer reviewed. Some studies feature poorly thought-out methodology.

All of that leads to a mess of frequently contradictory conclusions that can be used to support just about any position you'd like to put forward. So, basically, just because you can support your position, don't think that makes you absolutely correct. This goes for both sides.

However...it HAS BEEN PROVEN WITHOUT A DOUBT that gun legislation absolutely reduces mass killings by firearm. People can knock themselves off all they want in this country. Just as long as they don't knock off a bunch of kids in school, take out an entire movie theater, or mow down a bunch of people in a cafeteria.

We've never been arguing the same issue.

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that is sooo me hahahahaha

[Ephirith]

I should have the right to own a slave. Big government makes all these laws prohibitating slavery, and all that does is put slaves in the hands of criminals and sex houses instead of law abiding citizens like me. People are still going to own slaves whether there are slave controls or not, so it doesn't make sense to try and control it.

Also, studies have shown that countries with little or no slave laws have lower rates of slave abuse. You're going to have to pry my slaves from my cold, dead hands Yankee.

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[hatelore]

Alarti... If you spend another night on here arguing (c'mon man, its Saturday, you already wasted your Friday here) I am going to feel more bad for you then i did last night [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] please go have a life tonight, i am counting on you!

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I should have the right to own a slave. Big government makes all these laws prohibitating slavery, and all that does is put slaves in the hands of criminals and sex houses instead of law abiding citizens like me. People are still going to own slaves whether there are slave controls or not, so it doesn't make sense to try and control it.

Also, studies have shown that countries with little or no slave laws have lower rates of slave abuse. You're going to have to pry my slaves from my cold, dead hands Yankee.

Heh, as entertaining as this post is, you have to realize the radical moral differences between owning slaves and owning a gun.