stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments - Page 20

hatelore · #**191** 01-12-2013, 02:17 AM

Also here's a hug dude. I want to see a happy alarti.

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vaylorie · #**192** 01-12-2013, 02:19 AM

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Lol did you even read these stats? Most of them refute your own claim. The one time over the course of many years the gun violence went up isnt an indication of your claim. That is what as known as an outlier.

Violent crime should be measure at the rate of crime incidents based on total population.

Example if you have a population of 100 with 1 violent crime that year and the next year you have 200 people with 2 crimes. That is not an increase in the crime rate. Even though it is a doubling of the total crime.

I'd suggest learning a bit about statistics before you let sensational media fool you.

First step is to verify the data collection process http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-a...e-Systems.html

Second step look for the length of the data to make your comparison. Throw away outliers.

Third step Statistics!

Per 100k deaths the UK with stricter gun control laws has about 1 death, where the US has about 5 per 100k. The same goes for the other gun control laws in western europe. Compare first world countries for more accurate results as obvious developing and third world countries will have more violent crime by nature, (also more access to machine and assault weapons.

Thanks for getting out your elementary statistics books and posting the intro to chapter 1, it was very helpful and I appreciate the lesson in statistics and data analysis. Please refer to Humerox's reply for more information. I appreciate the guidance that a seasoned hand like yours provides.

While you have the statistics book out, please see if there is anything in there regarding being able to apply data and analysis to a conversation that we are actually having and not some arbitrary facts about a comparison between overall violence between two cultures as opposed to an identifiable effect that gun controls has on a population either positive or negative. Since you've already looked at the data once and can't seem to find the answer, I will give you a hint. Restrictive gun laws, when implemented in Britain, increased the rate of murder and violent crime. Alternatively, you can go back about 6 pages, read my post, and then shit your pants for having realized that you are nothing and you know nothing.

For additional steps, please google video search glengary glen ross. Thank you.

hatelore · #**193** 01-12-2013, 02:30 AM

I really wish you would not have posted so what I had to say would have maybe sunk in a little bit to Alarti :*( The poor guy needs a woman in his life, this is redic.

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Humerox · #**194** 01-12-2013, 03:39 AM

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Nobody is arguing if there is not more violent crime in the US vs. Britain, that proves nothing. They are different cultures and America is more of a violent culture by nature. None of this has anything to do with the impact on implemented gun regulations as was the previous question.

As per the actual conversation, isolated to Britain what was the impact on violent crime and murder as a result of a gun ban and increased gun regulation? The result, as shown in the data, is that violent crime increased as the population became unarmed. Hence, gun regulation does not solve a violent crime problem as I originally stated.

Learn to apply data to a conversation and not try to create a false argument with convenient facts.

It remains to be seen whether comprehensive - and properly enforced - gun legislation will improve the problem.

As a society we are not responsible with our guns. It makes no sense at all to do nothing. Our culture seems to be the least qualified to have such easy access to weaponry specifically designed to kill lots of people very quickly. My argument has always been that mass killings can be controlled and the statistics do back that up.

The White House seems to be taking the approach I want to see. Compromise is in order. Extremism on either side is right out.

Hailto · #**195** 01-12-2013, 03:48 AM

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Also here's a hug dude. I want to see a happy alarti.

/hug I wuv joo alarti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti does seem like a pretty likeable guy, even though i disagree with his political stances. I think its the George Clooney avatar.

Humerox · #**196** 01-12-2013, 03:53 AM

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I am actually from and live in Texas, but you were close! I am actually skinning a animal in my kitchen right now too, and watching gun smoke on my 1980's tv and listening to Merl Haggard. You got a problem with that you yellow belly yuppy? =P

I am sorry that I made sense, I will try harder to just troll.

Everybody knows it's MERLE.

You gotta have a Lone Star while watching the love triangle between Matt, Kitty, and Festus. And Festus ain't after Miss Kitty.

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gotrocks · #**197** 01-12-2013, 04:02 AM

its for sure the clooney avatar.

as much as i'd like to actually weigh in here, instead of just trolling with another 'braaaiiinss', there is simply no point to trying to convince anyone on here that gun control is good or bad. It's just not going to happen. People who think everyone should have guns are not going to suddenly think its a good idea to give them up, and people who think no one should have a gun or not going to suddenly think there should be no restrictions. it's silly to think otherwise. Especially online.

that being said, hatelore, if I start acting like alarti, will you send me a 100.00 bill to a p.o. box? for real. ill turn it into a rock and some dope and have an awesome night =P

Hailto · #**198** 01-12-2013, 04:04 AM

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its for sure the clooney avatar.

as much as i'd like to actually weigh in here, instead of just trolling with another 'braaaiiinss', there is simply no point to trying to convince anyone on here that gun control is good or bad. It's just not going to happen. People who think everyone should have guns are not going to suddenly think its a good idea to give them up, and people who think no one should have a gun or not going to suddenly think there should be no restrictions. it's silly to think otherwise. Especially online.

that being said, hatelore, if I start acting like alarti, will you send me a 100.00 bill to a p.o. box? for real. ill turn it into a rock and some dope and have an awesome night =P

I think you need to hit those NA meetings more often bro, smoking rock and playing EQ aren't the best use of time.

gotrocks · #**199** 01-12-2013, 04:04 AM

oh, also.

brraaiiiinnnssss. uuurrrrnnngghhh.

gotrocks · #**200** 01-12-2013, 04:05 AM

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I think you need to hit those NA meetings more often bro, smoking rock and playing EQ aren't the best use of time.

its only at night, i swear [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also, crack is wack. i may or may not have be a functioning opiate addict.