stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[OforOppression]

^dumb manchild

[OforOppression]

To vaylorie, not my ***** purist

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless you home contains 50m hallways you don't need a rifle for accuracy. A rifle is also less maneuverable in tight quarters. Even the military uses SMG's or extremele shortened designs for urban engagements.

If you need more than a few rounds from a pistol or a couple blasts from a shotgun to defend your home. You should probably get out of the business you are in.

In addition you claimed the most common civilian round is a hollowpoint and then went on to talk about AR-15's. The most common civilian round is a hollow 9mm. Last I checked an ar-15 uses .223 or 5.56(nato). Ar-15's do not commonly use hollow point bullets.

Do you realize just how stupid you sound? Whether you were in the military or not you sound like a moron. You do realize that a 223 round or a 5.56 round is not a HUGE round. I am not debating its worth, it is an amazing round that any solid shooter would want in his arsenal. Its a high velocity round but impact damage is minimal compared to lets say a 7.62 or a 30-06. So should we outlaw 30-06 rifles? That is my favorite round when it comes to hunting unless I want a brush rifle, then I usually go with a lever action 30-30 since its a shorter gun. My father was a gun smith and I carry on his trade as a hobby of mine. A 223 round is designed for rapid expansion and usually doesn't stay together to well on impact of larger targets like lets say a 45 acp round does. And I am not trying to so much compare a pistol round to a rifle round, since there is no comparison really. But a person carrying an assault rifle is a pretty big give away since its such a large gun. With a pistol? I can easily stuff it in my back pocket.

I can say that a 7.62 round is a pretty heavy round that does some serious damage, but in some respects a 16 round 40 caliber pistol could produce better results when you factor in concealment, maneuverability, and the learning curve involved in shooting a pistol compared to an assault rifle. So should we ban pistols too Alarti?
You come on these forums and act as if you know what you are talking about , but I am doubting you really do.

Now look at the .30 caliber round, the damage from impact and blood loss is tremendous. So should we also ban .30 caliber rifles? I mean how fucking far does this have to go? Ban every gun? A gun is nothing more then a tool, it has no feelings, its made to kill. Anyone trying to argue guns should knows this much before opening there mouths. More people died last year from blunt force trauma from hammers and bats then they did from rifles. So should we ban a fucking hammer?

Now if we were arguing distance? Yes a 223 round is great since the energy produced is so great, You are looking at on average of 1150 fps or so from a 223, which means trajectory and distance are great. Now a 45 acp round is what? 450 fps? But the size and momentum behind the round are great, same with a 40 caliber.

The problem we have here with our Liberals in congress is the definition of an assault rifle. Diane Fuckstien if she had her way would consider any rifle with a magazine that can carry a capacity of over 1 bullet, an assault rifle. Have you looked at her past bills she has tried to pass through congress regarding assault rifles and there definitions?

And what brought the topic of guns up in the news lately? The school massacre.... That was a mental health issue, the liberals will use any excuse they can to argue gun laws. As I said before the problem is not Assault rifles, or any gun in general. The problem is, our society has degraded to a point that nasty things like this are going to happen. They always do in a shitty society.

[patriot1776]

tl;dr but agree 100% after 1st sentence

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you realize just how stupid you sound? Whether you were in the military or not you sound like a moron. You do realize that a 223 round or a 5.56 round is not a HUGE round. I am not debating its worth, it is an amazing round that any solid shooter would want in his arsenal. Its a high velocity round but impact damage is minimal compared to lets say a 7.62 or a 30-06. So should we outlaw 30-06 rifles? That is my favorite round when it comes to hunting unless I want a brush rifle, then I usually go with a lever action 30-30 since its a shorter gun. My father was a gun smith and I carry on his trade as a hobby of mine. A 223 round is designed for rapid expansion and usually doesn't stay together to well on impact of larger targets like lets say a 45 acp round does. And I am not trying to so much compare a pistol round to a rifle round, since there is no comparison really. But a person carrying an assault rifle is a pretty big give away since its such a large gun. With a pistol? I can easily stuff it in my back pocket.

I can say that a 7.62 round is a pretty heavy round that does some serious damage, but in some respects a 16 round 40 caliber pistol could produce better results when you factor in concealment, maneuverability, and the learning curve involved in shooting a pistol compared to an assault rifle. So should we ban pistols too Alarti?
You come on these forums and act as if you know what you are talking about , but I am doubting you really do.

Now look at the .30 caliber round, the damage from impact and blood loss is tremendous. So should we also ban .30 caliber rifles? I mean how fucking far does this have to go? Ban every gun? A gun is nothing more then a tool, it has no feelings, its made to kill. Anyone trying to argue guns should knows this much before opening there mouths. More people died last year from blunt force trauma from hammers and bats then they did from rifles. So should we ban a fucking hammer?

Now if we were arguing distance? Yes a 223 round is great since the energy produced is so great, You are looking at on average of 1150 fps or so from a 223, which means trajectory and distance are great. Now a 45 acp round is what? 450 fps? But the size and momentum behind the round are great, same with a 40 caliber.

The problem we have here with our Liberals in congress is the definition of an assault rifle. Diane Fuckstien if she had her way would consider any rifle with a magazine that can carry a capacity of over 1 bullet, an assault rifle. Have you looked at her past bills she has tried to pass through congress regarding assault rifles and there definitions?

And what brought the topic of guns up in the news lately? The school massacre.... That was a mental health issue, the liberals will use any excuse they can to argue gun laws. As I said before the problem is not Assault rifles, or any gun in general. The problem is, our society has degraded to a point that nasty things like this are going to happen. They always do in a shitty society.

I am still waiting for those statistics.


Do you realize how stupid you sound? The reason we use 5.56 is because the human body is extremely fragile compare to lets say a boar or deer.

Also, if you knew a thing about how the High Velocity round from an AR-15 works you know that due to its velocity and the small weight of the round it fragments on impact very easily.

Either way it wasn't about the shell it fires its about the capacity to cause death in quantity. Pistols are limited by 7-14 round clips. Assault weapons generally have 30+.


The massacre's arent the problem For every massacre there are many more gun deaths in singles.


You also listed more statistics in your post. Please find the source for all these deranged ideas you pull out of your ass.

CroMagnum much?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your statistics you ask for will come soon, i just got off work.

Still waiting......

[hatelore]

And honestly, you want someone as fucking retarded as Joe Biden to tell you what guns you should and should not have? Joe Biden needs to go fucking watch cartoons and drink his chocolate milk and quit trying to tell me what guns I can and cannot own.

If you seriously think our government wants to ban certain guns to protect us, you are delusional. Our Government would love to have complete control. That's why the founding fathers put these amendments in place, to protect us from something like that happening. You can argue about things being different back then or whatnot, but they obviously were wise enough to see what the future COULD bring with a tyrannical government.

Just my 2 cents...

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am still waiting for those statistics.


Do you realize how stupid you sound? The reason we use 5.56 is because the human body is extremely fragile compare to lets say a boar or deer.

Also, if you knew a thing about how the High Velocity round from an AR-15 works you know that due to its velocity and the small weight of the round it fragments on impact very easily.

Either way it wasn't about the shell it fires its about the capacity to cause death in quantity. Pistols are limited by 7-14 round clips. Assault weapons generally have 30+.


The massacre's arent the problem For every massacre there are many more gun deaths in singles.


You also listed more statistics in your post. Please find the source for all these deranged ideas you pull out of your ass.

CroMagnum much?

are you fucking stupid? limited to 14 round magazines in a pistol? You have seriously never seen a 16 round magazine in a pistol? Dude I fucking reload bullets lol, You aren't going to sit here and tell me about velocity, or trajectory, or anything when it comes to bullets. And a 7.62 round would do a hell of a lot better in lets say iraq compared to a 5.56 in my opinion. The Terrorists are usually wearing cloth, the 5.56 round is for armor piercing. The 7.62 round is for decent distance and impact.

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still waiting......

Don't be foolish Alarti, I gave you statistics earlier and due to your inability to carry on an actual debate of facts instead of alarmist assertions, you ignored them and moved on. You use the 'I'm still waiting on those statistics' game to try and change the subject without admitting that you pull 'facts' out of your ass.

[hatelore]

And I know very well about fragmentation of a 5.56 round , I am not debating its worth. What I am saying is, there are a TON more powerful rounds out there that could do a hell of a lot more damage then a 5.56 round.