stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[Alarti0001]

You know free people don't own guns too... right? Free people also own coffee makers.

[OforOppression]

fight for your right to make shitty homebrew coffee

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by OforOppression [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fight for your right to make shitty homebrew coffee

With guns!

[Resheph]

I know I shouldn't, but wanted to weigh in on this topic anyway.

I think we should be allowed to own guns. I think there should be limits on this ownership. Automatic weapons are a grey area for me... no reasonable person has a real need for one, but in a worst-case scenario, they would be useful. Anything beyond automatic weapons (rocket launchers, high-powered sniper rifles, etc) should be flat-out illegal. No excuses, no exceptions.

I also think weapons should be required to be left at home unless the carrier is both licensed to carry one (for work/military purposes) and has a REQUIRED reason to carry (such as a police officer being on the job). A middle ground for this is allowing ONLY handguns to be carried by civilians outside of work.

There is no reason for anyone to carry anything bigger than a handgun. None. Automatic weapons should never be used outside of a gun range or military applications. In fact, the only reason I support gun ownership at all is because I accept that a revolt, while unlikely, could be needed in a worst-case situation.

Also, I'm in favor of preparing for the Zombie Apocalypse.

[patriot1776]

if you are a gunaphobe you are part of the pussification and domestication of the american male that is turning us into a nation of fluoridated zombies

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by patriot1776 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you are a gunaphobe you are part of the pussification and domestication of the american male that is turning us into a nation of fluoridated zombies

Oh? Do explain. Also, describe pussification. Are you talking about people able to apply reason to a subject rather than force? If so zombies are generally seen as mindless, so zombies would be more applicable to meatheads who can only use force to solve their disputes. BRAINNNNSSSSSS

[Resheph]

Originally Posted by patriot1776 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you are a gunaphobe you are part of the pussification and domestication of the american male that is turning us into a nation of fluoridated zombies

I'm not a gunaphobe, I simply have a brain and know how to use it. I'm also much more fond of bladed weapons, largely because they require some sort of skill to use. Anyone can shoot a gun, even a sniper rifle. Don't believe me? Check this out:

http://elitedaily.com/elite/2013/sma...hot-everytime/

Now if you wanna get in a fight with a knife, you're going to have to be a lot closer and take a lot more risk. Guns have uses, but there is no reason for someone to carry one outside their home unless they are on the job and said job includes great personal risk.

I also agree with Alarti... if you're THAT hard-up for guns, you're one of the meatheads that shouldn't be carrying anyway. The people that are reasonable enough to carry at least acknowledge the fact gun control should be in place, even if they don't agree with the specifics.

[patriot1776]

Its not about being a tough guy, mr knife faggot. It's about life or death when a gaggle of naggers beats your fucking door down

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh? Do explain. Also, describe pussification. Are you talking about people able to apply reason to a subject rather than force? If so zombies are generally seen as mindless, so zombies would be more applicable to meatheads who can only use force to solve their disputes. BRAINNNNSSSSSS

Define reason. Are you talking about the statistics that show that gun controls do not decrease violent crime or perhaps the statistics that show that excessive gun restrictions / prohibition actually increases violent crime as seen in England and other countries? Or perhaps you are talking about the 'reason' that it takes to be afraid of mass killings even though the actual chance of being involved in one is close to the chance of being struck by lightning? Alternatively, the 'reason' that you apply could have something to do with deaths by rifles being less than people that kill others with their bare hands or that get beaten to death by rocks and clubs? Please shed some light on the 'reason' that you apply instead of force?

Realistically by 'reason' you mean that you don't use guns and in all likelihood are afraid of guns (you won't admit it certainly). It's strange how history seems to repeat itself and that some American's value their liberty. Some of these 'foolish' 'backwoods' American's can look at history and see that almost every tyrannical government and outrageous act by a governing body started with the disarming of the people.

But you are correct, we should 'reason' our way into turning over our personal protection to the government since that was in the past and our government would never do that. Besides, the police are there to protect us moments after it counts and notify your loved ones anyways. You have opened my eyes.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Define reason. Are you talking about the statistics that show that gun controls do not decrease violent crime or perhaps the statistics that show that excessive gun restrictions / prohibition actually increases violent crime as seen in England and other countries? Or perhaps you are talking about the 'reason' that it takes to be afraid of mass killings even though the actual chance of being involved in one is close to the chance of being struck by lightning? Alternatively, the 'reason' that you apply could have something to do with deaths by rifles being less than people that kill others with their bare hands or that get beaten to death by rocks and clubs? Please shed some light on the 'reason' that you apply instead of force?

Show me these statistics please. Because scientifically gathered stats speak to the opposite. If you actually have "statistics". I'll link mine after you show me yours. Then I will teach you how to validate the authenticity of the stats gathering.