Veeshan's Peak - Non disputable zone - Page 8

Fountree · #71 01-09-2013, 01:36 PM

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Fountree, do you realize that within a single post you have simultaneously complained that "VP is old" while also argued that training should remain within VP?

Show me where I argued that training should remain within VP please. I just said people (including GMs) probably don't really care and that there are bigger issues at hand here.

falkun · #72 01-09-2013, 01:38 PM

And what does that have to do with the OP? Do you log in to "casually" train in VP? How is your casual logging going to be altered by any change in VP?

For me, as I've already mentioned, a change in VP would allow me a better opportunity to experience a part of Kunark that I haven't yet. Fountree is "desperately" trying to prove that Velious is the solution and not VP, but I'm arguing that the server atmosphere requires a change, not a new location for old arguments. Releasing Velious is like Congress putting off sequestration until March: same problem, new timeline. Why can't we be better than Congress and solve the problem now?

Splorf22 · #73 01-09-2013, 01:39 PM

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Fact is, TMO at this point killed everything more times than Metallikus can probably count up to, and despite a population increase from curious new players, the server is content-wise at least, long dead. There hasn't been an update or even reset in months, Velious still has no firm beta date, and we're 2 years into Kunark. To say this server is healthy is a joke. And the problem that lies at the core isn't the squabbling amongst the top raid guilds, which is inevitable, it is the lack of progression in the game. Where is the content to experience for longtime players who have remained loyal and playing through the servers history? I understand that the GMs don't owe us anything, and yes I know this is a free server, but can we really call this server a fair emulation of live anymore? We're really at a tipping point now and the GMs should recognize that. So why are we nitpicking on whether or not VP should be a CSR zone or not when really 99% people don't really give a crap? Including TMO because we've farmed it dry for well over a year now? I say let's try to be more constructive and work together in getting this new content released as fast as possible instead, before we have more than 75% of the server with level 60s please.

I agree with this 100%; I'm just not sure you guys do. If you guys are really so bored you'd be having invited tours to VP and leveling up chars on live to help Kanras/Nilbog with their list of stuff. Crazyeyes is my hero!

Zeelot · #74 01-09-2013, 01:40 PM

Me logging in casually gives the server a better shot at beating TMO to raid targets. TMOs overall organization and efficiency is much higher when I put the time in. Many officers including myself are just chilling and letting other people take the reigns right now. It is good practice for them and also helps our competition gain a foothold + morale by winning at races for targets.

falkun · #75 01-09-2013, 01:43 PM

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I agree with this 100%; I'm just not sure you guys do. If you guys are really so bored you'd be having invited tours to VP and leveling up chars on live to help Kanras/Nilbog with their list of stuff. Crazyeyes is my hero!

This.

Autotune · #76 01-09-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When the Non-CSR stance was taken on VP, there were two forces actively raiding it, and they were FORCED to coexist and CSR WAS enforced. After the initial 24 hours period, the gloves came off and all hell was allowed to break loose. Why were these two initial forces granted preferential treatment and forced cooperation but now the senior forces do not have forced cooperation with new forces wishing to enter?

TMO was grandfathered in to VP, but the other forces do not have that luxury. TMO was given a two week period of non-contested VP loot, and competing forces were not allowed to train them, so they could set up their CoH locations and also pre-camp any forces for training or recovery purposes. I'm sure FE, BDA, or VD (when it existed) would trade 48 hours of no outside raid mobs for the protection inside VP that was granted to IB and TMO when VP was first opened.

Corrected edits in italics.

There's another quote discussing the alternating of VP raid targets for the first two spawns (two weeks, give or take variance), but I'm too lazy to hunt it down.

Why was it like this? It was obviously so IB could get loot and TMO wouldn't train them to all hell in back.

obviously.

Less obviously, it was for Nilbog (and Rogean) to see VP in action and to see the two guilds test the dragons. If you think TMO needed a few more keys to train the ever living shit out of IB in VP ( VP was held back ) you're completely mistaken.

Less conspiracy tone, more idk.

IB and TMO decided to keep the rotation for awhile, then let it run out, then decided to reinforce it, then one decided not to, then decided to again. The only guild that was ever shown to need the rotation of the two guilds, was IB.

As for the other guilds not getting "protection", the other guilds weren't ready for VP when it opened. I'm sure everyone that starts playing now would love a guise, manastone, or prenerf fungi staff.

falkun · #77 01-09-2013, 01:59 PM

You can offer any and all reasons you'd like, I'm not disputing them. But you are admitting you had two weeks of "testing dragons" without raid interference and you had a period of no training within VP. These opportunities were handed to you by CSR, whether you'd like to admit it or not.

Autotune · #78 01-09-2013, 02:07 PM

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You can offer any and all reasons you'd like, I'm not disputing them. But you are admitting you had two weeks of "testing dragons" without raid interference and you had a period of no training within VP. These opportunities were handed to you by CSR, whether you'd like to admit it or not.

Why do I have to admit anything? I think it's well documented, it's not a big secret that it took place or why it took place.

I mean, people were handed guises (other illusions) and pre-nerf staffs at some GM events. Should people expect that to happen all the time? Should people get pissed when they aren't given those as choices? Basically, you're upset at an event that was put in place by Nilbog and Rogean.

again, less conspiracy please.

Zeelot · #79 01-09-2013, 02:07 PM

That is true. We were also the only 2 guilds with keys at release. If you had the keys you would have had the same opportunity.

Alarti0001 · #80 01-09-2013, 02:36 PM

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Ever thought that we like raiding because we are a raiding guild? It is the reason why we kill things. We are not trying to block anyone. Our playstyle just doesnt match with some people's 'lets all be family guilds that get along' mentality.