Raid Rules Alternative

[Datante]

Originally Posted by Ektar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What happens when two people sit on nagafen's spawn point? We're both staring intently at the screen, and both hit taunt or attack or whatever immediately.

YES naggy did have first agro on someone, but that will NOT be determined until after the ensuing clusterfuck of both guilds thinking they were first. Furthermore how will it be determined? By a gm's logs; which is trying to be avoided.

Ektar, this was my major concern as well, and the primary problem with FFA regardless if all of the guilds are trying to abide by player-driven rules.

Could this be fixed by a coded script from the developers that had the boss mob shout out the very first character to gain aggro after the spawn? It would be like a CT with no DT kind of situation.

If this shout script is put in place, FFA becomes a real possibility. Example: Nagafen shouts, "TANK1, you fool! Prepare to die!" and Tank1's guild then has a time limit to fully engage the mob as described by Dumesh. The specifics of when the first guild is said to have 'failed' can be further discussed. Real-time skill can be important again.

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Datante [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ektar, this was my major concern as well, and the primary problem with FFA regardless if all of the guilds are trying to abide by player-driven rules.

Could this be fixed by a coded script from the developers that had the boss mob shout out the very first character to gain aggro after the spawn? It would be like a CT with no DT kind of situation.

If this shout script is put in place, FFA becomes a real possibility. Example: Nagafen shouts, "TANK1, you fool! Prepare to die!" and Tank1's guild then has a time limit to fully engage the mob as described by Dumesh. The specifics of when the first guild is said to have 'failed' can be further discussed. Real-time skill can be important again.

That is definitely a viable solution. Sometimes agro is random, though. You'd really have to hope to be in range to attack, taunt, or shoot a bow to ensure first agro otherwise you'll be super mad when some afk dude happens to grab agro first. Other than that it would at least add the argument of "we aggroed first so step down till we win or lose." I assume a zonewide shout would be the easiest way to also catch it in logs if anyone chose to take an issue to a GM.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is definitely a viable solution. Sometimes agro is random, though. You'd really have to hope to be in range to attack, taunt, or shoot a bow to ensure first agro otherwise you'll be super mad when some afk dude happens to grab agro first. Other than that it would at least add the argument of "we aggroed first so step down till we win or lose." I assume a zonewide shout would be the easiest way to also catch it in logs if anyone chose to take an issue to a GM.

We did this on progression. First tag got kill rights. We ended up with 12 bards playing the aoe dot song on 1/3rd second intervals til Trakanon spawned.

By the way--is Sky out yet? Kunark on the horizon? I'm kind of on a break [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Doing some evil WoW arenas :P

[G13]

Originally Posted by Datante [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ektar, this was my major concern as well, and the primary problem with FFA regardless if all of the guilds are trying to abide by player-driven rules.

This is what people do not seem to understand

FFA would change nothing. Both guilds would just sit on the spawn waiting for him to pop. Camping would get worse. Not better.

Coding the mob to say "I was hit by so and so guild first" is not classic, and what does that really mean anyways? He randomly attacked someone? Nobody is going to accept mob rights under those conditions. Nobody.

People need to accept that the Everquest raid system is horribly flawed and find a compromise that is competitive, but fair.

Originally Posted by Stickyfingers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why not just make everything pop at the same time once a week? Then DA would get one and IB would too, the rest of the raid mobs would be open too, as DA and IB would be occupied with their respective raid mob, so a guild like Divinity could try some harder mobs. If Divinity is unable to, DA or IB (or anyone) could go in later and get the unkilled raid mobs. This means DA and IB could still get a raid mob a week, if not 2 or even 3.

Any guild with half a brain would pick Vox. So everyone would be fighting over Vox.