So your guns keep you safe?

[Hitchens]

Not sure beliefs that were penned in an agrarian society should be dogmatically applied to an urban one.

Just sayin'.

[Humerox]

Man...how much you wanna bet agrarian and dogmatically are going to have a sudden Google surge...

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[Tokage Sohei]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Many states have have militias already:

State defense forces (SDF) (also known as state guards, state military reserves, or state militias) in the United States are military units that operate under the sole authority of a state government; they are partially regulated by the National Guard Bureau but they are not a part of the Army National Guard of the United States.[1] State defense forces are authorized by state and federal law and are under the command of the governor of each state.

Militias don't depend upon privately armed citizens anyway. The weapons are organized and stockpiled. People that are truly worried about federal tyranny should be advocates for their own state militias, or if they live in a state without one they should be advocating for the establishment of one.

State government is no less prone to tyranny than the federal government. I don't consider myself one of the tin-foil hat wearing types that expects collapse around every corner, but if one accepts the 2nd amendment as a protection from a tyrannical government, then protection from the state government must be considered as well and a state run militia does not provide such protection.

[Humerox]

I've pretty much argued myself out on this issue. I'll work on advocating stricter gun legislation, and you guys can keep advocating against people like me.

If the price we have to pay to maintain the status quo is Newtown and the 60 other massacres in the US in the last 30 years...God help us all.

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Harmonium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad I have never been a citizen in a democracy. If you happen to be a citizen of the USA then apparently, you don't even know what kind of government you have.

In the Constitutional Republic, the individual is protected. It is designed so that the majority cannot take away the rights set forth in the Constitution.

The Second Amendment isn't even about shooting sports, hunting, or self defense. Those are all respectable uses of firearms, but its not what the Second Amendment is for.

The Second Amendment is primarily about the citizens being able to protect themselves from the government.

Our Republic adopted an elaborate system of Checks and Balances to keep the kind of power that would require altering the Constitution from aggregating.

The citizens inalienable right to bear arms is the FINAL - LAST check and balance. The one that any sane man can only hope and pray never need use.


Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. – Mahatma Gandhi, in Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446

The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. – Alexander Hamilton

The Constitution shall never be construed … to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. – Samuel Adams

The police can't stop an intruder, mugger, or stalker from hurting you. They can pursue him only after he has hurt or killed you. Protecting yourself from harm is your responsibility, and you are far less likely to be hurt in a neighborhood of gun owners than in one of disarmed citizens – even if you don't own a gun yourself. – Harry Browne

Switzerland is a land where crime is virtually unknown, yet most Swiss males are required by law to keep in their homes what amounts to a portable, personal machine gun. –Tom Clancy

Those who beat their swords into plough shares shall plough for those who don't. – Anonymous

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. - Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. – John F. Kennedy

When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent.
When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun.
Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet.
– Lyle Myhr

Tl;dr.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Harmonium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad I have never been a citizen in a democracy. If you happen to be a citizen of the USA then apparently, you don't even know what kind of government you have.

In the Constitutional Republic, the individual is protected. It is designed so that the majority cannot take away the rights set forth in the Constitution.

The Second Amendment isn't even about shooting sports, hunting, or self defense. Those are all respectable uses of firearms, but its not what the Second Amendment is for.

The Second Amendment is primarily about the citizens being able to protect themselves from the government.

Our Republic adopted an elaborate system of Checks and Balances to keep the kind of power that would require altering the Constitution from aggregating.

The citizens inalienable right to bear arms is the FINAL - LAST check and balance. The one that any sane man can only hope and pray never need use.


Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. – Mahatma Gandhi, in Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446

The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. – Alexander Hamilton

The Constitution shall never be construed … to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. – Samuel Adams

The police can't stop an intruder, mugger, or stalker from hurting you. They can pursue him only after he has hurt or killed you. Protecting yourself from harm is your responsibility, and you are far less likely to be hurt in a neighborhood of gun owners than in one of disarmed citizens – even if you don't own a gun yourself. – Harry Browne

Switzerland is a land where crime is virtually unknown, yet most Swiss males are required by law to keep in their homes what amounts to a portable, personal machine gun. –Tom Clancy

Those who beat their swords into plough shares shall plough for those who don't. – Anonymous

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. - Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. – John F. Kennedy

When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent.
When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun.
Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet.
– Lyle Myhr

Long, but I read it twice and enjoyed doing so!

[Arclyte]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've pretty much argued myself out on this issue. I'll work on advocating stricter gun legislation, and you guys can keep advocating against people like me.

If the price we have to pay to maintain the status quo is Newtown and the 60 other massacres in the US in the last 30 years...God help us all.

lol, cut the bullshit, you don't advocate anything and I doubt you even care

You and Hitchens should ask yourselves why you've really been arguing about guns for 25 pages, and try not to lie to yourself or it won't work.

In the meantime, I will be enjoying my right to keep and maintain weapons. Not because I'm paranoid or because I need them to "hunt" (I don't), but because I like having them, and I don't live in some delusional limp-wristed nanny state.

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In summation: eat a dick

[Littlegyno 9.0]

Originally Posted by Arclyte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol, cut the bullshit, you don't advocate anything and I doubt you even care

You and Hitchens should ask yourselves why you've really been arguing about guns for 25 pages, and try not to lie to yourself or it won't work.

In the meantime, I will be enjoying my right to keep and maintain weapons. Not because I'm paranoid or because I need them to "hunt" (I don't), but because I like having them, and I don't live in some delusional limp-wristed nanny state.

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In summation: eat a dick

Are those M1's or M14s?

[Arclyte]

M1 garands

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by Arclyte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You and Hitchens should ask yourselves why you've really been arguing about guns for 25 pages, and try not to lie to yourself or it won't work.

I have 0.84 posts per day. How did I get blamed for a 25 page thread?