Raiding Question- TMO

[Loly Taa]

Originally Posted by theguyy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"We worked hard" does not equal entitlement for dominating an entire server. As if EQ raids are even remotely challenging anyways lol. When Velious releases, the army of alts will just camp the whole of Velious instead of Kunark/Classic anyways, which is far from a healthy raid scene for an entire server.

With that said TMO are just players working within the rules of the server and they can't be faulted even if they dominate every camp of every spawn in every zone because it's how a completely non instanced game works. But because there are no other servers for people to raid on I believe this forces the devs hand into making a semi healthy raid scene because I can assure you it will be far from that come Velious.

I don't understand your logic on this. TMO is already not getting 100% of the mobs each week. Taken was able to kill Innoruuk the other day and that isn't the only recent instance of someone other than TMO killing a raid mob.

If Velious were released, there would be nearly 100% more raid mobs for the entire server, including ones on factions which we may or may not go after in the beginning.

Not to mention, if Velious were released I promise you we'd release our grip on VP and no longer defend that zone the way we do now.

Things will change if Velious comes, I challenge you to explain to me how it would not. If there's anyone who knows the strengths and weaknesses of TMO- it's me, and not only that- I can tell you we'd just say fuck the Classic and Kunark shit unless we had nothing left to do in Velious. Which in the beginning.. With the 3 entirely new armor sets that have to be farmed? I mean, did you ever even play Velious? Do you even know how much timesink it adds?

It's insane, it's massive. You can basically count me out of bothering to track things because I'll be gleefully running through the Plane of Mischief and zoning to Cobalt Scar when raids are called, which 90% of the time? Will be Velious raids.

[Splorf22]

"Perl is a great solution to a terrible problem" - Random usenix poster

Anyway I don't resent TMO for taking all the raid mobs they can; yall are the ones willing to batphone/poopsock and I'm not. What I resent is the system where batphoning/poopsocking is what decides who gets raid mobs.

[theguyy]

Originally Posted by Loly Taa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand your logic on this. TMO is already not getting 100% of the mobs each week. Taken was able to kill Innoruuk the other day and that isn't the only recent instance of someone other than TMO killing a raid mob.

If Velious were released, there would be nearly 100% more raid mobs for the entire server, including ones on factions which we may or may not go after in the beginning.

Not to mention, if Velious were released I promise you we'd release our grip on VP and no longer defend that zone the way we do now.

Things will change if Velious comes, I challenge you to explain to me how it would not. If there's anyone who knows the strengths and weaknesses of TMO- it's me, and not only that- I can tell you we'd just say fuck the Classic and Kunark shit unless we had nothing left to do in Velious. Which in the beginning.. With the 3 entirely new armor sets that have to be farmed? I mean, did you ever even play Velious? Do you even know how much timesink it adds?

It's insane, it's massive. You can basically count me out of bothering to track things because I'll be gleefully running through the Plane of Mischief and zoning to Cobalt Scar when raids are called, which 90% of the time? Will be Velious raids.

You don't have to get 100% of the mobs to be dominant.... The fact that infinite accounts can be made, PL'd/bought and instantly raid geared only makes matters worse and is completely unclassic. Something must be done, the question is what.

[Loly Taa]

Originally Posted by theguyy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't have to get 100% of the mobs to be dominant.... The fact that infinite accounts can be made, PL'd/bought and instantly raid geared only makes matters worse and is completely unclassic. Something must be done, the question is what.

From the things I've heard this question has already been pondered by nilbog himself and it's simply a matter of time until that problem is solved.

To be honest, I'd rather see more content for all of us to play. If TMO wanted Velious and no competition- we'd roll over to EQMac and roflstomp IB all over again.

[JerSar]

I've read most of what this thread has to offer, and I wanted to start off by saying this:

Relive the classic Everquest MMORPG Gaming Experience as it was in 1999 and onward. Project 1999 is a free to play Emulated Everquest Server giving Players the opportunity to experience Classic EQ Once again, starting with the original 3 continents and a max level of 50, with the look and feel of the old interface and several modifications making game mechanics similar to how the game used to be. Project 1999 is the best and most popular classic Everquest experience.

FTE 'code' is not CLASSIC. Poop-socking, guild wars, rage against a dominant raiding guild IS COMPLETELY CLASSIC!

I cannot tell you how many times I logged in to an OLD TIME BATPHONE (a phone call) and learned that Guild_Better_Best got to the monster first, and we were PISSED! But that kind of shit happened.

Should Velious have been released earlier? Sure! But the developers are perfecting it, and making it true to the era. That takes TIME.

You forum trolls, and forum crawlers both good and bad keep shouting for a resolution, FUCK OFF oh my god, if you hate it then leave or join the god damned top guild and raid WITH THEM.

'oh lawdy I'm not having fun bcuz I can't have my epics' - to you I say shut your shitter hole and learn to enjoy a games content.

'Aregh I hate FTE' - THEN PETITION THE DAMNED RULE

You people and your god damned rantings over shit, offering very non-classic solutions is just GROUP THINKING, it's retarded, KEEP IT 100% CLASSIC!!!

Good chat.

EDITED---

I also want to add this:

I think that people who are severely QQing about anything in this game that's not a bug should fuck off, there's a RNF section, or a petition section, use it dipshits.

I like my CLASSIC EVERQUEST.

[McMuffins]

Originally Posted by JerSar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've read most of what this thread has to offer, and I wanted to start off by saying this:

Relive the classic Everquest MMORPG Gaming Experience as it was in 1999 and onward. Project 1999 is a free to play Emulated Everquest Server giving Players the opportunity to experience Classic EQ Once again, starting with the original 3 continents and a max level of 50, with the look and feel of the old interface and several modifications making game mechanics similar to how the game used to be. Project 1999 is the best and most popular classic Everquest experience.

FTE 'code' is not CLASSIC. Poop-socking, guild wars, rage against a dominant raiding guild IS COMPLETELY CLASSIC!

I cannot tell you how many times I logged in to an OLD TIME BATPHONE (a phone call) and learned that Guild_Better_Best got to the monster first, and we were PISSED! But that kind of shit happened.

Should Velious have been released earlier? Sure! But the developers are perfecting it, and making it true to the era. That takes TIME.

You forum trolls, and forum crawlers both good and bad keep shouting for a resolution, FUCK OFF oh my god, if you hate it then leave or join the god damned top guild and raid WITH THEM.

'oh lawdy I'm not having fun bcuz I can't have my epics' - to you I say shut your shitter hole and learn to enjoy a games content.

'Aregh I hate FTE' - THEN PETITION THE DAMNED RULE

You people and your god damned rantings over shit, offering very non-classic solutions is just GROUP THINKING, it's retarded, KEEP IT 100% CLASSIC!!!

Good chat.

EDITED---

I also want to add this:

I think that people who are severely QQing about anything in this game that's not a bug should fuck off, there's a RNF section, or a petition section, use it dipshits.

I like my CLASSIC EVERQUEST.

[HIYO]

Keep it classic? It's not classic now and that's the problem. Mad and clueless lol.

[McMuffins]

Originally Posted by HIYO [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep it classic? It's not classic now and that's the problem. Mad and clueless lol.

Still the solution isn't to keep making it less classic (if that's the case)

[Metallikus]

I'm definitely not on the FTE shout bandwagon. The only problem it solves is the abuse of the FTE rule. Abuse that could be solved by either better rules of engagement from the top or player agreed upon play nice policies.
Maybe an example would be if there are more than 1 guild competing for raid mob, then an opportunity that can be measured would be given. If a mob pops, guild are filtering into the zone...lets say Vox and permafrost. The first guild to have 15 in zone would shout "15 rule on Vox" and starting then that guild would have an uncontested 15 minutes to engage Vox. If they fail to engage in 15 min or wipe then they cannot attempt that mob again until it pops the next week because they invoked the rule. So it is risky to invoke the rule because you only get one shot and a time constraint but it gives you breathing room from trains and FTE snipe attempts durign your time period.

[Loly Taa]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm definitely not on the FTE shout bandwagon. The only problem it solves is the abuse of the FTE rule. Abuse that could be solved by either better rules of engagement from the top or player agreed upon play nice policies.
Maybe an example would be if there are more than 1 guild competing for raid mob, then an opportunity that can be measured would be given. If a mob pops, guild are filtering into the zone...lets say Vox and permafrost. The first guild to have 15 in zone would shout "15 rule on Vox" and starting then that guild would have an uncontested 15 minutes to engage Vox. If they fail to engage in 15 min or wipe then they cannot attempt that mob again until it pops the next week because they invoked the rule. So it is risky to invoke the rule because you only get one shot and a time constraint but it gives you breathing room from trains and FTE snipe attempts durign your time period.

We're not going to be doing any more negotiations about "playing nice", and we're definitely not interested in going back to first 15 on spawn.

TMO went into that guild summit and were the only ones initially to agree to "no one sits on spawn point".

The leaders of BDA and FE would have none of that because by their own admission "It's more likely we'll get loot if we sit on spawn and play FTE lottery"

Okay, if you're more likely to get loot socking and playing the FTE lottery- then there is no reason for us to discuss "play nice policies" because it's obvious from the negotiations that this isn't about playing nice or making the raid scene better. It's about designing rules that give those two guilds an advantage they wouldn't normally have and I'm sorry but- We're not stupid enough to do that.

This weeks silly ass ruleset was designed so you'd get a legitimate attempt with no interference if VS or Trak was very late in window- but the hassles it caused us with some of our members simply is not worth trying to bend over for you two. (Which is silly as fuck because if you can't kill an uncontested VS you shouldn't be allowed to call yourselves a raiding guild)

If you'd like later I can fire up Audacity and edit up some of the summit and convey to you some of the choice bits of it, including the leaders of both opposing guilds decrying not sitting on spawn point as a rule because they realize it's the only way they're going to get Trak loots semi-frequently.

So please, lets stop trying to pretend like this is about "playing nice", "getting legitimate attempts at mobs for fun", or not watching "Trak vaporize instantly"

The leaders of BDA and FE made it very clear during the summit what they wanted, and it was simply more loot- if they had to sit on a spawn point and pray for an FTE they were more than willing to do that, and if that is how you want to play? That's great, I can't wait till next time.