Raiding Question- TMO

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vandy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raid scene is horribly people hit end game and get fed up so they sell off their toon To highest bidder and plan to come back in Velious hoping things will be better. The highest bidder 70% of the time is TMO who buys them up twinks them out with the massive stores of dragon loot and parks them at a raid target permanently to be logged in at the drop of a text message. There is no mobilization needed while other guilds actually have to get to the raid target, they have a full force of alts - community accounts there ready to go. This just further Continues the cycle More loot to sell /bank ... More people quit with no raid scene options... more accounts to buy up.

All this proves is that we need more content.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless it was after my time, it was because VD wasn't guilty.

Metallikus pretty much nailed it in post 3.

Alarti is also mostly right, except he never factors in that many server didn't have anything even resembling competition in 1999, and others were so non-competitive that they inspired PvP's 'care bear' description via massive guild-compromised rotations. I'll admit rotation is as foreign to me as competition.

And fwiw, there's only a 99.95% chance to OP is a troll to begin with.

It wasn't after your time. VD was guilty they were actively participating and expecting to benefit from IB's actions.

We have still yet to see a rotation that started pre-luclin.

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have still yet to see a rotation that started pre-luclin.

have to agree with you one time here. Rotations didnt start until 2002 on one of the more civilized servers (the Rathe) back in the day, note the creation of the rathe travel agency. But also, on that server the GMs didn't put up with shady shenanegins from guilds as the top guild was disbanded for training another guild in hate plane ..pretty much first offense (Brotherhood of the SPider later became Blood of the SPider).

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

have to agree with you one time here. Rotations didnt start until 2002 on one of the more civilized servers (the Rathe) back in the day, note the creation of the rathe travel agency. But also, on that server the GMs didn't put up with shady shenanegins from guilds as the top guild was disbanded for training another guild in hate plane ..pretty much first offense (Brotherhood of the SPider later became Blood of the SPider).

GM's were also paid, and players paid subscriptions.

[Metallikus]

ya there was much more respect had between people. If a guild was in a plane clearing, anotehr guild didntzone in and try to "compete" for the best mobs. They did soemthing else out of respect and as such both guilds mutually would agree to not be greedy and monopolize content and take turns without it being forced upon them.

That was then, and this is totally different form of competing here and not everyone came from the same type of eq backgrounds. All I'm saying is there could be a little more respect had between guilds on p99 and it would go a long way to have the smallest kindnesses here and there.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless it was after my time, it was because VD wasn't guilty.

Metallikus pretty much nailed it in post 3.

Alarti is also mostly right, except he never factors in that many server didn't have anything even resembling competition in 1999, and others were so non-competitive that they inspired PvP's 'care bear' description via massive guild-compromised rotations. I'll admit rotation is as foreign to me as competition.

And fwiw, there's only a 99.95% chance to OP is a troll to begin with.

I don't think you were raiding with them at the time, whenever I seen one of your characters online it was Coldblooded.

IB and VD raided together for quite awhile before IB got the first suspension that both should have shared. When IB came back VD joined them as if nothing happened and continued to raid with them. The next time ended up with IB and TMO suspended and VD should have been with us both in that suspension because it was they were spite suspensions. Neither TMO or IB should have been raid suspended. IB got one for a member ninjalooting and destroying an item and TMO got one because VD attempted to KS Inny from us and ended up getting trained by DD when he came to loot the corpse (so our items couldn't get stole/deleted). I showed Amelinda on the video that VD used to get us raid suspended where in VD's chat they acknowledged TMO pulled Inny and then right below you seen botnet(i believe) tell them to engage. This ended up with Amelinda basically saying TMO and IB were suspended because they should know better and VD is the baby


but whatever, turkey day gotta get out of bed.

[sedrie.bellamie]

if the competitive guilds want to compete; then doing things like clearing hate when Inny is in window is a good step. Do not expect anyone to hand you something for free


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[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ya there was much more respect had between people. If a guild was in a plane clearing, anotehr guild didntzone in and try to "compete" for the best mobs. They did soemthing else out of respect and as such both guilds mutually would agree to not be greedy and monopolize content and take turns without it being forced upon them.

That was then, and this is totally different form of competing here and not everyone came from the same type of eq backgrounds. All I'm saying is there could be a little more respect had between guilds on p99 and it would go a long way to have the smallest kindnesses here and there.

+1 same way it was on ayonae

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was then, and this is totally different form of competing here and not everyone came from the same type of eq backgrounds. All I'm saying is there could be a little more respect had between guilds on p99 and it would go a long way to have the smallest kindnesses here and there.

If you expect respect, you need to show some to start out.

[Sirbanmelotz]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They beleive in "competition" where they steam roll and monopolize all the content on the server and if anyone gets in their way they seek to destroy that entity by any means possible including using dirty and underhanded tactics such as training, kill stealing, rules abuse, and other griefing. They will then set up moles in your guild, spy on your ventrillo, and post personal information about you in RNF forums. They have no intention of rotating anything. They prefer to instead sell raid loot to the people they deny raid mobs to for personal gain.