The Rolling Jubilee

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the point entirely. You do what it takes to make it. If you make $9 an hour you better be working 2 jobs and executing a plan to get out of your current situation (killing debt, budgeting, job training or education, etc.). Yes, having roommates stunts 'having a life' but if you make $9 an hour you don't have the financial means to 'have a life' unless you live in your parents basement. Taking out loans and pretending that you have enough money to do so is a lie and will end you in the situation we are talking about with drudge.

This is the real world. Everyone is not on a level playing ground. You can argue the merits of the system but regardless you still must deal with it. Quality of life is not consistent or guaranteed to be at a certain level. I don't live like Bill Gates and it's not because I don't want to, it's because I don't have billions of dollars. Scale that example down by a few orders of magnitude and the same principle applies.



Also, I don't expect financial wisdom either all the time, but I do expect people to take responsibility for the choices they made and not try to play a victim.

I uh, I don't mean going out to dinner every night with wine and dining. I mean finding a place to live and perhaps raising a family. There are jobs which employ adults which make it impossible to do as such in the area that they are worked. It just seems odd to me that there would be employment like this where life is still impossible (aka, inability to afford rent or a family even at the lowest means).

On the job training / education, do you think that's feasible for all people? I know some will rise in their station, some will "make it", but in aggregate there simply isn't room for a nation of engineering / programming godkings, nor would demand for these jobs be enough if everyone was trained for them. It seems that we are capable of producing far, far more than we consume so with smaller demand comes the need for a smaller workforce, which leads to smaller demand, etc. Robots making shit for people few can afford.

Also, about his drinking / credit card debt. It was a terrible move on his part and did in fact aid in his problems, I didn't read that previously. People under stress make terrible decisions which push the problem down the road, it was unfortunate but now where does he go from here, though? Bankruptcy seems likely, at least it isn't educational debt.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off the house payment was $900 when I signed the mortgage, bought from the orig owners, so was based off 1950's tax estimate or something, two months after I moved in they redid the tax estimate and my payment almost doubled. Second off, fuck all you guys. Thirdly I wasn't a god damn taco bell cashier, my family owned a restaurant - bar for 35 years and I was an certified Chef with a degree.

No one's calling you a Taco Bell cashier. You had a good life and good shit going and it went terribly. What I'm referring to in my post is what about that Taco Bell cashier? They seem unable to even attain life necessities.

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They are just fucked. NPC international and YUM brands are going to remove all full time positions from their organizations with the implementation of Obamacare. That means hundreds of thousands of jobs going from the worst jobs available to worse. Those people will never own anything but debt.