And I raaaaaan, I raaaan so far awaaaayyyy

[Rovas]

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it works, you just suck.

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[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Phatso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fairness is a function of the rules in place. If the rules themselves are skewed or exhibit favoritism, or if the rules are redefined such that the parties involved were not aware of the 'new' rules before they engaged in their actions, this is what defines unfairness.

FE was formed to compete under these existing rules. We agree that they are fucked up and would like a different set of rules. If FE was in the position TMO was, we would work for a different set of rules. This does not change the fact that we decided to play the game that YOU have been playing for a very long time under the shitty system the current rules give us. Do not turn this around on everyone else now that people are actually trying to play the FTE game with you - if TMO did not like this, THEY could have changed this.

We all know the rules. We all know the limits of the rules. This case does not break the limitations of FTE. Just because TMO was 'under CT' does not matter even one fucking bit. Even FTE shouts would have to be overturned in the case of this ruling.

Yes, FTE shouts are potentially able to be overturned. Sniping was a concern of Sirken (with CT as the example too), and the suggested solution is to make them informative but non-binding.

If you want to argue that the "rules" need to be followed by the letter, it is a demonstrable fact that P99 uses a form of common law. Rogean, Amelinda, Uthgaard, and now Ephi have all issued rulings and interpretations on the spot or on the forums that modified or impacted written rules. To claim that written that the "P99 Code of Laws" stands alone isn't entirely true. GM Formed interpretation and common law also controls and shapes it.

I agree that FTE sniping is stupid, but I disagree that GM's have no interpretive leeway. I do agree that it is good policy to codify everything, as much as possible, before hand, but I disagree that the codified rules are immune to GM interpretation and good-faith situational modification.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, FTE shouts are potentially able to be overturned. Sniping was a concern of Sirken (with CT as the example too), and the suggested solution is to make them informative but non-binding.

If you want to argue that the "rules" need to be followed by the letter, it is a demonstrable fact that P99 uses a form of common law. Rogean, Amelinda, Uthgaard, and now Ephi have all issued rulings and interpretations on the spot or on the forums that modified or impacted written rules. To claim that written that the "P99 Code of Laws" stands alone isn't entirely true. GM Formed interpretation and common law also controls and shapes it.

I agree that FTE sniping is stupid, but I disagree that GM's have no interpretive leeway. I do agree that it is good policy to codify everything, as much as possible, before hand, but I disagree that the codified rules are immune to GM interpretation and good-faith situational modification.

Law school?

[Shinko]

guys, i was sleeping next to my girl when ct spawned what happen?

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Shinko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what happen?

One idiot cried about something another idiot did.

[quido]

Man I wish I could have been there =(

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gotta use the old embed code =\

[Frieza_Prexus]

I also think it's relevant to point out that the "rule" has been First to Engage. This does not necessarily mean that being first on the aggro log is that you are first to engage.

Yes, the aggro logs and FTE have been treated very synonymously, but there is still argument that a distinction exists. Perhaps, the aggro logs are simply one informative facet as to who got FTE, though they have been indisputably convenient in making determinations when no GMs are present.

Perhaps an encounter such as CT already DOES have a mechanism to determine who has FTE. Under this theory, TMO's raid engaged the mob first. Even though the logs were clean at the time of Scorchin's DT, it is indisputable that TMO engaged with the first DT. There is no other reasonable explanation for the guild's activities in taking the first DT and charging the mob OTHER than intent to engage.

In short, first to engage is not necessarily synonymous with being first on any particular instance of the encounter logs. Perhaps the rules were followed to the letter here. Perhaps first to engage is a broad concept that can, from time to time, require a factual inquiry into the situation.