And I raaaaaan, I raaaan so far awaaaayyyy

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea you said that before, and in classic alarti fashion I couldn't tell if you were trolling or just that fucking retarded. Apparently its the latter. Clearly he was hit by the zonewide random dt since my name was first on the encounter log. Otherwise it he would have been on the aggro list.

Man you are easy. TROLLOLOLOL

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[Ephi]

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VS was an entirely different situation. Nothing about that applies here.

In this situation we had a raid force, I got FTE, then TMO Jumped on the mob and killed it. When can you say FTE snipe is any different than initiating a pull and what they did is any different from them KSing it? FTE is supposed to take all of the GM discretion out of a given situation, make it so it is not a call based on favoritism but one of hard evidence. Every other time the FTE situation has come up its "soandso got fte, congrats guild of soandso!" but this time we are all about "the Spirit of FTE" whatever the fuck that is.

And yea, you and every GM in history is an unbiased bastion of blind justice. Never heard that before either.

I don't care about the mob, or the loot which was shitty as i understand it... What i care about is the idea that the precedents and rules of the server can be whimsically overturned by a new GM that can clearly be influenced by cryspam of TMO.

Yes, you're right, it's a different situation, although the ruling was based on similar grounds.

And for the record, I received zero tells from any members of TMO before making the ruling. Nor was I watching OOC/Shout. I also helped rule for you guys on the VS kill.

If you think I favor TMO, take it up with Rogean please.

[Happyfeet]

I think you favor halflings. COME AT ME, TRY TO REFUTE THAT!

[Ephi]

Originally Posted by Happyfeet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you favor halflings. COME AT ME, TRY TO REFUTE THAT!

This I cannot deny.

Stepping out of this thread for good now. Take care guys.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But enough of the de-rail... So the new rule is, have fte and be sure to run your 4 or 5 men to the mob and braveheart it? Clarification humbly requested .

How bout.............do what it takes to make a legitimate CT engage?

Legitimate = CC fear adds and engage with the amount of people necessary to actually kill him?

Not sure what there is to argue about when there was a GM WATCHING your bullshit during the raid. In another time...gm's watching what you guys did today might rule raid interference and you might be suspended for it.

Lucky for you they've gotten compassionate from the pathetic attempts your leadership calls competition.

[Diggles]

Originally Posted by Happyfeet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you favor halflings. COME AT ME, TRY TO REFUTE THAT!

Heallun is more of a halfling than anyone on this server can hope to be.

Ephi might be close.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure what there is to argue about when there was a GM WATCHING your bullshit during the raid. In another time...gm's watching what you guys did today might rule raid interference and you might be suspended for it.

I'm so glad those 2 are gone!

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Ephi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This I cannot deny.

Stepping out of this thread for good now. Take care guys.

still waiting on the dark elf illusion!!@$%

[Tarathiel]

this all sounds like soooo much fun

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Ephi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, you're right, it's a different situation, although the ruling was based on similar grounds.

And for the record, I received zero tells from any members of TMO before making the ruling. Nor was I watching OOC/Shout. I also helped rule for you guys on the VS kill.

If you think I favor TMO, take it up with Rogean please.

The question is whether its better to have simple, well-defined rules which are sometimes unfair or to have flexible, more ambiguous rules that attempt to cover more situations correctly. It seems that FE was basically trying to exploit the FTE rules, this offended you, and so you awarded the loot to TMO. I agree that one guild charging a raid mob with another guy sneaking in and trying to FTE snipe is silly. But when you break your own rules you lose credibility.

What this should tell you is that you need to fix the system. There are lots of ways, for example: after a person from guild x gets FTE, the mob enters in to a 'guild seek and destroy mode' where players from other guilds cannot damage the mob or enter its hate list for ~20 seconds. This gives the non-FTE guild time to back off and let the sniper wipe. Or you could ditch FTE and add up damage by guild.

The point is you need something consistent without too much potential for exploitation.