Rant: Ron Paul/Rand Paul- 2016 and this previous election.

[Black Jesus]

heres one of the headlines today u moran fucks

Fiscal Cliff Worries Drive Gold to $1,731 | $1,600 territory likely a thing of the past.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

heres one of the headlines today u moran fucks

Fiscal Cliff Worries Drive Gold to $1,731 | $1,600 territory likely a thing of the past.

What a stupid headline. A reduction in the deficit (the fiscal cliff) would be bearish for gold, as Bernanke would be able to lower the printing presses from 5th gear for a time. In general, gold is up because the Fed continues it's indefinite QE program. Money supply is the primary factor in the price of all goods. However, gold price is influenced by many other factors. Trying to attribute it to worries over the fiscal cliff is like an astrologer trying to blame the outbreak of war on Mars being in a certain part of the sky.

[XgrimX]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope the Cain you're referring to is not of the Herman variety.

I just threw that in there for the black vote. I still think he is a smart guy and put up against Obama he might have done better then Romney.

Anyways I think I forgot to say Rand Paul 2016!

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by XgrimX [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just threw that in there for the black vote. I still think he is a smart guy and put up against Obama he might have done better then Romney.

Anyways I think I forgot to say Rand Paul 2016!

I'm just not crazy about someone who is an admitted islamophobe/homophobe being president of the most powerful country in the world. I also object to this idea that he would get the black vote, as if black people have no agency and only vote for people who look like them.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just not crazy about someone who is an admitted islamophobe/homophobe being president of the most powerful country in the world. I also object to this idea that he would get the black vote, as if black people have no agency and only vote for people who look like them.

You really think Cain wouldn't have done better than Romney amongst blacks? Obama did get something like 90% of the black vote...

[Black Jesus]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just not crazy about someone who is an admitted islamophobe/homophobe being president of the most powerful country in the world. I also object to this idea that he would get the black vote, as if black people have no agency and only vote for people who look like them.

I know youre Canadian so don't understand but those people have destroyed America.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really think Cain wouldn't have done better than Romney amongst blacks? Obama did get something like 90% of the black vote...

I think he would have done negligibly better. Obviously some people vote for people with whom they share an identity characteristic (hence why Ann Coulter supported Hillary Clinton, and arguably why Colin Powell supports Obama), but the vast majority of voters are concerned more with ideology than identity. Obama only got about 6-10% more of the black vote than the average democrat, so Cain would have barely done better than Romney in that respect. In other respects he would have done much worse than Romney because Romney was really just a much more qualified candidate, and also he would have been eviscerated by Obama in the debates (moreso than Romney).

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think he would have done negligibly better. Obviously some people vote for people with whom they share an identity characteristic (hence why Ann Coulter supported Hillary Clinton, and arguably why Colin Powell supports Obama), but the vast majority of voters are concerned more with ideology than identity. Obama only got about 6-10% more of the black vote than the average democrat, so Cain would have barely done better than Romney in that respect. In other respects he would have done much worse than Romney because Romney was really just a much more qualified candidate, and also he would have been eviscerated by Obama in the debates (moreso than Romney).

6% is negligible? I realize it wouldn't have tipped the election, but it's certainly not insignificant. Now you could make an argument that there are probably a significant number of anti-black votes that went Romney's way, which might have stayed home or gone for the half'n'half Obama instead of Cain. This may have even balanced the difference in black vote.

[XgrimX]

I think we can all agree there is a POSSIBILITY he could have been a better economy. I still think he would have won hands down over Romney just because Obama has a terrible record to run on for the last 4 years. But the point I was making more was the fact that the GOP screwed Ron Paul therefore if they would have just accepted him gave him speaking slots etc. they would have had the 4-5% of the independent vote that would have put them over the top to beat Obama this past election. Just wondering if anyone thought the same I do on the mistake by the GOP/RNC

Good discussions though

[Reiker000]

I like Cain as a dude but he was an awful presidential candidate.