So that's it for the election.

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by LizardNecro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "full plan" link works for me in IE (it's a frame with a scribd document of eight pagefs), but I don't see any specific cuts. The closest I see is on page 5:

Stop Runaway Federal Spending And Debt.
 
Reduce federal spending as a share of GDP to 20 percent – its pre-crisis average – by2016.

In so doing, reduce policy uncertainty over the need for future tax increases.

I haven't been able to find a specific list of what would actually be cut.

The scribd link is here:
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/102...8fht0g06taehfj

If I'm missing something, please let me know.

The link worked for me! Thanks!

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's because he isn't going to cut anything. His grand plan is to grow the economy while keeping spending roughly the same, thus reducing the total cost of government relative to GDP. Basically the same bullshit all politicians say, since cutting a program means lost votes. The only reason I'd possibly vote for Romney is if I thought he was lying and he'd actually cut the hell out of spending once in office. But I don't believe this to be likely.

At first, I really didn't want to believe this, but I have looked over Paul Ryan's proposal as well as anything Romney could have possibly posted and I am afraid you are right. The stance is "Without Obamacare, the budget will balance itself!" Kind of silly really.

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fascism exactly. Note that Nazi germany is to fascism as square is to rectangle. I don't believe in racial purity, genocide, or any of that shit. A fascist state can still be a representative democracy/republic, and it needn't be corrupt or brutal. It's a synthesis between personal responsibility and collective responsibility. I think it's the system with the greatest compromise between individual potential and collective potential.

Plus Starship Troopers was a really good movie.

Nazi Germany was a nationalist socialism. Fascism (specifically Mussolini's Italy) is basically a nationalist capitalism.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plus Starship Troopers was a really good movie.

Heinlein is rolling in his grave; Read the book.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People have the government they deserve. Liberty is just as likely to appear spontaneously in an enlightened society as tyranny is in an ignorant one.

I see. So collectivism always devolves into murderous totalitarianism because it has always been implemented in ignorant societies. And this is an argument for trying it here in America? Because our society is so enlightened, right?

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see. So collectivism always devolves into murderous totalitarianism because it has always been implemented in ignorant societies. And this is an argument for trying it here in America? Because our society is so enlightened, right?

Liberty also devolves into murderous totalitarianism in ignorant societies, anything does. I'm convinced an Ayn-Randian libertarian redneck-survival-fantasy paradise would work here too, but I disagree with that philosophy.

My point is, here in the United States (and to a similar extent in the UK and some other European countries), there has been a political culture of civility and respect for the rule of law. You might think this is a nasty, toxic election, but put it in perspective historically and internationally. And still, we're ultimately following the rules (as much as some of us may think they are silly).

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Liberty also devolves into murderous totalitarianism in ignorant societies, anything does.

Totalitarianism is anathema to liberty. Totalitarianism is a vital tool for collectivist societies. Huge difference.

[Fame]

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/ethos/

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/orwel...-in-his-grave/

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/manuf...and-the-media/

Easy reading.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Fame [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/ethos/

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/orwel...-in-his-grave/

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/manuf...and-the-media/

Easy reading.

I had watched the first one on Netflix a few weeks back. Not impressed. They continually conflated democracy with liberty. It has this strange notion of democracy, and an infantile view of corporations.

The other two sound interesting.

[Ephirith]

Wait, wut?

[Triangle]

Originally Posted by Triangle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...Obama is guaranteed to be re-elected unless he somehow dies before the election takes place. Its safer than playing the stock market.

Somebody quote this because I personally guarantee it. I will give away 150k plat in EC if he is on the ballot in november and does not get re-elected, that is how confident i am.

Just wanted to bump this post. Call me lucky, but I did guarantee it and risked lots of plat on it for no gain.