Why are there so many asshats on the server?

[Taxi]

You people dont have much experience in MMOs if you call this community bad... my WoW server had jew shower jokes, constant bullying, ive played Darkfall where the community was 100 times worse than here... perma-flaming in the forums, oh-im-so-hardcore-go-back-to-wow argument used in every sauce, you name it.

Just a couple of examples off the top of my head, ninik the cleric who rezzed people for free, clerics that move around to rez for no fixed prices, people getting buffed in EC on a regular basis, me rescuing some random noob in the Najena jail cells, porting for CRs all the time. If youre gonna criticize, do it for something real, if youre making phony claims people are gonna point and laugh, thats not being an asshat.

[L2Phantom]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You people dont have much experience in MMOs if you call this community bad... my WoW server had jew shower jokes, constant bullying, ive played Darkfall where the community was 100 times worse than here... perma-flaming in the forums.

PvP games/servers and unofficial servers tend to attract the scum of the gaming world. Ragers, griefers, "bullies", hackers, exploiters, those banned on Live servers, immature kids too young to pay for the real deal, you name it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the trend.

Darkfall = PvP Game = TERRIBLE community
WoW = PvP servers are 500x worse than PvE/RP realms in terms of community.

LoTRO = PvE/P2P game, one of the best communities out there.
EQLive = PvE/P2P game, used to have a great community before MQ became widespread. Still does to some extent.
EQ2 = PvE/RP servers, amazing community.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by L2Phantom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PvP games/servers and unofficial servers tend to attract the scum of the gaming world. Ragers, griefers, "bullies", hackers, exploiters, those banned on Live servers, immature kids too young to pay for the real deal, you name it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the trend.

Darkfall = PvP Game = TERRIBLE community
WoW = PvP servers are 500x worse than PvE/RP realms in terms of community.

LoTRO = PvE/P2P game, one of the best communities out there.
EQLive = PvE/P2P game, used to have a great community before MQ became widespread. Still does to some extent.
EQ2 = PvE/RP servers, amazing community.

Thats unfortunatly the case most of the times i think, i play the game Heroes of Newerth and the community is just dumb as fuck, its all about e-peenery.

But take eve online though, thats the only MMO ive seen, and ive played dozens of AAA titles, where there are guilds stricly dedicated to making noobs learn the game. Granted the complexity of eve naturally helps spawn these kind of guilds, but still, its a hardcore PVP game, and there are tons of players dedicated to helping others. For example in my 00 space corporations, there was weekly courses on how to be a fleet commander, thats one of the funnest experiences ive had in a MMO, to watch 40 people getting schooled like that. You have players that just camp the help channel to answer questions noobs might have.

So i think in general youre right, but not always the case. Its certainly not the case on this server, in my opinion. Ive seen more friendly/laid back people than the other way around.

[gnomishfirework]

If you are judging by the posts in rants and flames, any community is going ot be full of asshats. I personally consider rants and flames a game in and off itself.

I just started playing a few weeks back, but I have found nothing but extremely helpful people here in game. I met one jerk who started KSing my low level group in EC because someone thought he needed help and killed a lioness 30 minutes earlier (true story -- he must of logged out and ran his main over). He then apologized right after and explained he was mad at some other high level then buffed us to make up for killing three mobs. Of course, I haven't made it to high levels where the most contention comes from, but I judge by how helpful people are to low levels.

Originally Posted by L2Phantom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PvP games/servers and unofficial servers tend to attract the scum of the gaming world. Ragers, griefers, "bullies", hackers, exploiters, those banned on Live servers, immature kids too young to pay for the real deal, you name it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the trend.

Darkfall = PvP Game = TERRIBLE community
WoW = PvP servers are 500x worse than PvE/RP realms in terms of community.

LoTRO = PvE/P2P game, one of the best communities out there.
EQLive = PvE/P2P game, used to have a great community before MQ became widespread. Still does to some extent.
EQ2 = PvE/RP servers, amazing community.

Darkfall, had a great community if you weren't a carebear. It was a full loot sandbox pvp game. If you expected everyone to be nice and kind, you are a fool. If you expected enemies around every corner and didn't cry after getting ganked, you could meet a lot of cool people.

People treated enemies like enemies and friends like friends. I dunno, the community was pretty good when you got into it. PvP is going to cause strife among enemies, but thats how it goes. I never saw drama in it I didn't see in EQLive.

WoW is the garbage dump of MMOs. Its mostly little bratty kids who want instant gratification. The playerbase is what killed that game for me. Otherwise it could have been kind of fun.

[President]

Originally Posted by gnomishfirework [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are judging by the posts in rants and flames, any community is going ot be full of asshats. I personally consider rants and flames a game in and off itself.

I just started playing a few weeks back, but I have found nothing but extremely helpful people here in game. I met one jerk who started KSing my low level group in EC because someone thought he needed help and killed a lioness 30 minutes earlier (true story -- he must of logged out and ran his main over). He then apologized right after and explained he was mad at some other high level then buffed us to make up for killing three mobs. Of course, I haven't made it to high levels where the most contention comes from, but I judge by how helpful people are to low levels.

I'd say the community here is very good, and I've been around to witness a lot of it. I've probably given away 5-8k worth of items and money to newbies, but I always find it funny when I go to give a newbie 30p, and he goes "someone else just gave me 50p, I'm good, find another newbie to give it to." I constantly talk to low levels who have had some higher level help them out for free, often just by showing up and handing things out.

The majority of the bad community here comes from so many players with a very good knowledge of the game all wanting to do end game stuff, and kicking each other in the nuts to get what they want. I bet you before Kunark comes out we have over 6 guilds with the player base to kill any boss in the game, but probably only a couple with the ability to *camp* or *race* for a mob. I've always tried to be friends with everyone in every guild, and I find it astonishing the hatred I see between guilds.

[gnomishfirework]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd say the community here is very good, and I've been around to witness a lot of it. I've probably given away 5-8k worth of items and money to newbies, but I always find it funny when I go to give a newbie 30p, and he goes "someone else just gave me 50p, I'm good, find another newbie to give it to." I constantly talk to low levels who have had some higher level help them out for free, often just by showing up and handing things out.

The majority of the bad community here comes from so many players with a very good knowledge of the game all wanting to do end game stuff, and kicking each other in the nuts to get what they want. I bet you before Kunark comes out we have over 6 guilds with the player base to kill any boss in the game, but probably only a couple with the ability to *camp* or *race* for a mob. I've always tried to be friends with everyone in every guild, and I find it astonishing the hatred I see between guilds.

Yea. I don't expect to kill naggy or vox on this server. I dont intend to not level once kunark comes out and I work full-time and don't intend to join a hardcore raiding guild. Its cool. I've killed them before. I killed them when they were a challenge before. So Im ok with it. I do want my epic. I do want to kill bosses in Kunark and Velious and in the Planes. So, hopefully I can get to do that. I plan to stick around till velious, so Im pretty confident it will happen. I am in no rush.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by gnomishfirework [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea. I don't expect to kill naggy or vox on this server. I dont intend to not level once kunark comes out and I work full-time and don't intend to join a hardcore raiding guild. Its cool. I've killed them before. I killed them when they were a challenge before. So Im ok with it. I do want my epic. I do want to kill bosses in Kunark and Velious and in the Planes. So, hopefully I can get to do that. I plan to stick around till velious, so Im pretty confident it will happen. I am in no rush.

I know this response is a little late but the level cap on Naggy and Vox doesn't happen right away with the release of Kunark. You will have time. Don't loose hope!

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by gnomishfirework [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Darkfall, had a great community if you weren't a carebear. It was a full loot sandbox pvp game. If you expected everyone to be nice and kind, you are a fool. If you expected enemies around every corner and didn't cry after getting ganked, you could meet a lot of cool people.

Its not about being nice and kind, its about being stupid. Anytime you criticized some concept in the game, the "go back to wow" card was played. I dont know when you played but i beta tested it from february 2009 to may 2009 and it was just stupid.

For example in beta, i was told i was a carebear because i wanted to put a stop to people deleting their shit while you were running after them on a mount. Say the guy was running out of stamina and he knew he was gonna die, then he could just delete everything that was on him before i killed him to deny me any loot. I was told to go back to wow and that i was a carebear for suggesting to put a timer on deleting. The rationale being that i wanted to be "entitled" to some loot, hence a carebear and i should go back to WoW. A bit like you did.

[gnomishfirework]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its not about being nice and kind, its about being stupid. Anytime you criticized some concept in the game, the "go back to wow" card was played. I dont know when you played but i beta tested it from february 2009 to may 2009 and it was just stupid.

Yea, the forums were fucking insane when it came to that, but it was only the same 5 people.

In game the only douches were the guys who clan dec'd New. Everyone esle was really nice.

I was complimented on my playstyle by people I tried to gank and such. I got chased once by three people who tried desperately to kill me until I finally lost them around some hills. I ended up chatting with the one guy a few times I logged in after that. People were friendly in game. IT was a pvp game though, so people will kill you on site. Most were dicks about it. Except the hackers too.

STupid hackers.