Nirgon you are an idiot

[Razdeline]

TMO is full of exploiters, hackers, and the like. This is old news. Move along

[Nirgon]

I have a raid guide that says he death touches. It matches my recollection. Score one for me.

I found the patch notes where bard charm being broken was fixed. Score another one for me.

Why people continue to argue with someone who raided classic EQ and has a very strong understanding of game mechanics (being in a pvp server did help with this ... a lot). It only boggles my mind until I realize one thing.

You want an easier EverQuest, I get it. You want to single pull things with invis, or charm mobs that shouldn't be charmable and even convinced the devs the make Sirran enchanter charmable for this long. I guess if this gets you dead mobs and helps you think you were good at classic Everquest, I'm sorry to rain on your parade.

See also the mage sword patch notes change I found. It is changed at the same time SK epic 2h bash goes in. So, either fix mage swords or remove SK 2 handed bash. The intelligent brain in my head says OK keep the SK bash but remove the mage sword proc. It is buggy and stupid.

How about town front guards should be spell immune? I remember that and backed it up, an easy kill there.

Even worse, re: the invis pull.. you guys are willing to admit certain things working or not working on EQMac as evidence but not others regarding bugs we can't seem to find patch notes for.

Hell, I even threw you a bone helping prove that dragons and animal types shouldn't be dual wielding and proc'ing weapons on their current loot table. Guess what? I remembered that and have the keen eye to pick it out of a classic screen shot and be like "hey guys, you didn't notice this, but here's a fix" - something that makes some encounters MUCH easier. But where's the love?

That is all, and please, refer to me as Dr. Nirgon.

[Diggles]

fix the bug where there isnt a max level monk on both of my accounts

[Nirgon]

Bunch of black knights riding around with their helmets on backwards imo.

[AenarieFenninRo]

And where did this raid guide come from? I had to create my own raid guide back in the day, yes I did raid original EQ. I don't ever seem to recall an official raid guide released by Verant.... Prima released one, but they're not Verant / Sony.

So are you now quoting your own self created raid guide to match with your memory? Or are you quoting a raid guide created by a company other than the one that created / developed / patched the game when things went wonky?

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why people continue to argue with someone who raided classic EQ and has a very strong understanding of game mechanics boggles my mind.

Why is it that you think that you were the only one who raided in classic? Why is it that you seem to think you're the only one with understanding of game mechanics? Making an accusation that I want EZ-Mode is a mistake, I never said that. In fact I specifically stated:

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not saying that Sirran was or was not charmable. I'm not saying that he did or did not DT, but you're making statements of FACT from lack of evidence.

What this says if you cant read is PROVIDE EVIDENCE NOT RECOLLECTION. It does NOT say I want easy mode, it also does not say I want hard mode. I'm fine with the change if it goes in, i'm fine if it stays out... I DONT CARE EITHER WAY. I'm saying PROVIDE EVIDENCE because claims of "this is how I remember it" are not evidence.

You're still an idiot.

[Nirgon]

What do you think about invis pulling?

[Nirgon]

Youre also not saying he did or didn't because you don't know.

I do.

[AenarieFenninRo]

You're right, I DONT KNOW. Thats why I'm not being an idiot saying "this is how I remember it so it must be true" because that could be the original way, it could be after a patch way, it could be the 2002 way, or it could be the 1999 way. Without evidence I dont make claims of "this is how it should be since I remember it this way"

The logic here is simple, just because you remember it a certain way, without evidence, making a claim is plain idiotic. If you feel there is a problem, find the evidence to back it up, don't rely on the developers to already know if you're correct or not. Don't make a claim in your posting that its "Game breaking raid issue: Sirran the Lunatic" and then your evidence is "I remember it differently". Thats akin to chicken little saying the sky is falling!

If you can't find evidence, then maybe you should tone down the rhetoric first and say, I dont remember this, but I believe its incorrect, could someone please help me find some evidence that its working as intended and not an erroneous piece of code?

When someone else finds evidence such as http://www.therunes.net/g-charm.htm that state chanters WERE able to charm him, perhaps you should acknowledge you were WRONG, instead of screaming to the heavens that you're still right because it was "fixed" at some point, and because you provide "evidence" about a different mob entirely does not mean you're correct about the mob you listed in the title of the thread. Read this as, if Key Master isn't currently DTing, then make a post about the KEY MASTER, not SIRRAN! Just because people are using it to their advantage while he IS charmable does not make it "game breaking", because at some point it WAS allowed.

We're here for the CLASSIC experience, bugs / exploits and all. If things were fixed in 2005 because they "never should have been that way" but always were from 1999 up to that point, then they SHOULD NOT get changed here because thats not part of our timeline.

Until you can find the evidence of charming Sirran being removed / changed, there is no reason for the Developers to take it out because nobody knows WHEN it should be removed. You posted about bard songs being fixed, but NOT about dictate. You claim that when the bard fix was implemented that it also fixed dictate. This MIGHT BE true! How can we know if that is true or not? EVIDENCE!

How do I feel about invis pulling? FEELINGS have nothing to do with it. If it worked the way it did on live, during the timeline we are in (our current timeline is somewhere between Sep 19 2000 when epics were released and Dec 6 2000 when Velious was released or anything prior to now, then its correct. If it doesn't match the way it worked on live during that time frame, it is incorrect.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And where did this raid guide come from?

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Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

logical text.

I hate to say it Aenarie, but Nirgon is trolling you hard. He has selective reading, no matter how logical and correct your responses are, he will nitpick it and redirect conversations. It happens in every single thread, it's just the way it is. He wants a classic server that he doesn't even play on anymore