FTE is Fing stupid

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Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd mail them a toaster if I was confident they'd jump in a tub with it.

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[kphooper33]

Originally Posted by Camulet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I havent had much experience with raiding on P99 - but I played on Veeshan in Circle of Eternity (arguable 2nd best guild on the server) and I remember FoH setting up a rotation on mobs and being fairly reasonable. Never experienced this kind of behaviour and from an outside perspective some of these posts sound pretty immature.

OP seems to be a reasonable solution to a problem. Yes maybe not a TMO problem but I for one want to raid when I get to the appropriate level and if I cant do my epic or get items I want because one guild has it all on lock down - ill probably call it quits which I presume happens to alot of people if they cant achieve their goals.

So for server health a more mature attitude would be beneficial.

FYI I have grouped with TMO and BDA people and found them all to be nice so I presume the immature attitudes are a select few and limited to the raid scene.

Zar /wink

Don't try to reason with them. They can play more than you therefore they are cooler, just ask them. Welcome to the raid world of P99. They don't care what worked for FoH and kept live servers working smoothly. A rotation? Please! Building a community instead of spreading animosity/resentment throughout the server? Pahlease! But I might not be able to loot my 9,000th trak tooth or 37th Tolan's BP, are you crazy! This is the logic you are arguing against. Just give up, it isn't changing. Just wait for Velious to come out and then maybe there will be enough content that the gaming heros of P99 will not be able to keep it all down. As has been written in previous posts, loot is not the reason, it's because they can. My IRL buddy the other day was just talking to me about how excited he was to do cleric epic, and how he needed to find a guild to do it with. I laughed at him and explained that his best bet was to pay for his epic because he wasn't getting it otherwise. Ya that's the Everquest i remember. Oh and before the reponse, let me save you some time: I am a newbie, loser, whiner, QQer, pussy, lazy POS who wants everything without working for it, never played endgame before anyways so shouldn't have an opinion, oh and I probably have slept with all my female relatives.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice response bro. Do me a favor and look up reductive reasoning on the internet. FTE is fucking stupid, just like the title of this thread states. It makes raid mob engagements even more tied to rule lawyering and stupid bullshit than 15 on spawn did, and even that rule was not good.

do u even know what reductive reasoning means? yes, i'm guilty of trying to keep things simple. you think FTE is stupid? well i think rotations and 15 on a spawn is stupid. you clearly aren't involved in raid disputes, because you'd know that in the last couple months there have only been 3 situations where i was asked to check FTE. and only 2 of those situations resulted in staff having to remove items from one guild in order to give to the proper guild. as i have said a million times, FTE is not perfect, however, it is the best system in terms of what staff can verify, and what players can adhere to. when we have a better way of doing things, we will change the way they are done. until that time, this is a more than fair way of doing things (newsflash before you QQ at me, Fair does not mean Balanced).
Competition > Balance

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I realize being a GM on a server with so many awful people probably gives you a pretty jaded outlook but honestly, just because it is minimal effort on your part doesn't mean it is a good policy for the long term. Sad truth is this server is a big deal to a lot of people. I think some serious reform is needed in the amount of GM's, their general policies, and the rulesets as a whole that the server abides by. How many have quit due to these "works fine" rulings that have been used to screw people over so many times?

i realize that you think you know absolutely everything that's going on, and that you feel you could do a better job than every staff member, past, present, and future. but the sad truth is that without knowing what tools and restrictions that exist and are available on our end, you really have no grounds to simply assume things are the way they are because i only want "minimal effort" on my part (as u so rudely implied without any proof to such a claim). if you think the staff can make everybody happy, then you have never tried to please a large group of people. we do what we can to please the majority, and we feel this works for the majority.

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but Sirken... Common sense ain't common, it's an ultra rare drop

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[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we do what we can to please the majority, and we feel this works for the majority.

You must have a strange definition of majority. The MAJORITY of the server does not even get to see end game content because shit dies within five minutes of its spawn.

[Frieza_Prexus]

[HIJACK] FTE shouts/reset shout would still be incredibly convenient. You can get around the whole notion of abusing it by simply giving it NO authoritative weight whatsoever.

It'd simply be an informational mechanism and best case scenario, it helps the players solve their own problems. Worst case, the players still petition the same way they would have otherwise.

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[India]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You must have a strange definition of majority. The MAJORITY of the server does not even get to see end game content because shit dies within five minutes of its spawn.

The MAJORITY of the server doesn't see end game content because they can't or don't want to compete. If they did, they would

[India]

It's the majority that do compete in end game content that I believe Sirken is referring to

[Asher]

Originally Posted by India [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the majority that do compete in end game content that I believe Sirken is referring to

and to be clear, by compete we mean:

Growing a guild to a zerg size, camping out at a raid target, having people track spawns, and then being on call for EQ to login when a target spawns?

That endgame EQ doesn't sound like fun to me.

With the GMs having no interest in changing anything to make the environment better for everyone we should all just get used to playing in TMOs sandbox, form your own zerg guild that does the above, or even easier, just join TMO.

Asher

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Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... or even easier, just join TMO.

Asher

And that's the problem. People, in general, want easy. They don't want to have to put in any effort.

So cry, blame the GM's for not doing things to better the environment "for everyone", blame whomever the top guild is at the time,,, but for gods sake do not take any responsibility for your own actions, or lack thereof.