FTE is Fing stupid

[Savok]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ez solution, go play instanced live eq if u can't handle open world encounters.

ya know, it's just because of subjects like this one why soe ruined the game.

I'm not asking for EZ mode, I'm asking that the way FTE is applied on this server needs to be evaluated. Having one person under the spawn and throwing a spear to get agro while the other guild kills it with 20, 30, 50, 100, 30000 people is stupid.

Basically don't engage unless you know you can kill it.

[quido]

Maybe people should just get better at realizing that some snipe team stole their precious FTE - that's what we did! When Emong (gotta be shinko) tried to snipe Trak FTE not long ago, our raid was told to stay put and not engage. But when TMO has FTE on Trak by a full 12 seconds, BDA still rushes in and engages the dragon. Why? You tell me.

Of course it is a different situation when both guilds are parked on the spawn, but when it's a situation of a fast engage, I think it's reasonable that people be punished for shitty awareness.

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're already in TMO, you don't need to make up stuff to make it look better for you to join Ace. You pretty much have no idea what you're talking about and full of shit when it comes to anything VD. You weren't part of the guild nor the officer corp but only in name. Coldblooded wouldn't remove you even when _every_single_officer wanted you removed due to your inability at anything, much-less members of the guild asking who this Ace guy was.

The fact you even bring up Niniks epic is laughable. TMO and IB had the cleric epic on lockdown and had the only epics. Heaven forbid VD even get one, and it wasn't until TMO was raid suspended, did they say " oh let Ninik get her epic before VD people, I will kill ragefire if VD tries to get it etc etc. If you logged on at all you might have known what was going on, but you ran your mouth not knowing and people told you to shut up. We wanted 1 epic, and were more than happy to let Ninik have the 2nd one. So yea, also lets forget about the server repop when we left Trakanon, all Kunark dragons up and the Gods, and only killed vs for 24 hours for the other guilds. I'm sure that slipped your mind while headbanging away in your Trans Am with your mullet getting caught on your alligator clip earrings.


You brought up rotations with other guilds when you had no idea in the first place what was even taking place on this server since you never logged on. We even called you out on it on VD boards asking you wtf, since you clearly had no idea what was going on and you even went back and edited your post because of how stupid you looked. How the fact you can claim you were an officer, when all you did was relate to back the pvp days of Knights of the Rose, and never logged on to do anything but complain you were passed over for loot by people who attended more raids in the 2 weeks they were in the guild than the year+ you were in VD.


As for rotations :

Some people wanted a rotation, others didn't. It worked out for Trak for a while before it died off and I would almost say all 3 guilds we're prolly happy it did happen since it allowed people to do other things than camp out for Trakanon for 2 days. The problem came when a good handful of people wanted to go enter VP for VD. That's when the issues came up.

This server would be better off working together than pulling stupid shit like FTE. Hell make a open pact to not enter VP for a long period of time to get a Trakanon rotation. Yet I'm sure the only way you can win a rotation is to starve the person who has been feasting on him the past few months. Then they will give in. Otherwise you'll just play in to their own game of trying to get FTE rights by throwing something, exploiting training jugs over the water and on to the other guild, or FD to stand up as your guild engages. That's not competition, that's resorting to bullshit rule lawyering when you lose especially when the GMs will do anything about it, even on fraps.

I personally don't feel a FTE should would work, it's too manipulative just like FTE with a FD person. So when Yendor or a handful of other people stomp their feet saying it would be the end of all the raid evil, wait till that lvl 20 agros Trakanon with a SBI and kites him around while 40 people log in.

Who to believe Ace who has been trustworthy throughout his career even when VD and TMO were at each others throats, or Rais a known liar, and shady bastard who has spun more lies and conspiracies than almost anyone on the forums.

Ez choice here.

[Tanthallas]

Your FTE was a cleric who ran in and DA'ed right after our necro who we sent in to get shroomed. Our necro died...we waited and i sent another person in, however it seems that your cleric snagged the next spot on the agro list before him.

The first person to engage 12 seconds after your cleric ran in was me. TMO had a total of 14 people engaged on trak during the first half of the fight, topping off at an impressive 21 people at the end I believe. By the time TMO's initial force had all engaged, there were over 30 BDA engaged as well.

The real question would be: if it was a battle of 'fast' engage and awareness was the issue, i.e., if TMO had any intention of killing trak with 14 people, why did it take 12 seconds for 14 TMO to run in; and why did they just happened to run in after the BDA force over over 30 people?

The 12 seconds delay in BDA's engage after your cleric followed our necro shows the opposite of a race to engage by two guilds ready to kill a mob - it shows that the game was one of trying to sneak through and be the first on Trak's agro list while hoping that BDA did not notice and went in to kill it.

And thats fine; whatever mine or anyone else's opinions about this type of play are, this shit has been going on for quite a long time and we are all pretty familiar with it. But atleast call it what it is and do not try to dress it up as something it was not.

[Thana8088]

But, but, but your puller took a wrong turn and ran right past our caammmmppppp.

[Zeelot]

Your necro went in first, set off an aoe and died. I Went in on that cleric after the fact, it takes about 12 seconds for trak to fire off a second aoe so I waited for that. That day we rushed for another go and actually had our small force fully buffed and ready already. The CR took about 20min so there was plenty of buff time. I even said in raid vent "it is now or never if we want another go, bda is moving up"

You guys just suck and arent aware when trak is aggro on someone. Learn to pay attention!

But yeah, TMO is evil

[Artah]

Originally Posted by Llabak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rotation:
TMO
BDA
Divinity
Asgard
Full Circle
Acyrid
Taken
Flawless Victory

Shouldn't the rotation look like this for something like VS?

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your necro went in first, set off an aoe and died. I Went in on that cleric after the fact, it takes about 12 seconds for trak to fire off a second aoe so I waited for that. That day we rushed for another go and actually had our small force fully buffed and ready already. The CR took about 20min so there was plenty of buff time. I even said in raid vent "it is now or never if we want another go, bda is moving up"

You guys just suck and arent aware when trak is aggro on someone. Learn to pay attention!

But yeah, TMO is evil

Will you have my baby?

[Shinko]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(gotta be shinko) tried

Deny 100% not me

[quido]

Confirmed 100% Possible