FTE is Fing stupid

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is that so difficult to comprehend? Raiding is fun, fair competition is fun. But when you know you are beat, but you still lawyer for the win, that's where I run into issues.

Oh, no no no. Don't get all "How is this so hard for you to understand?" with me.

YOU are the one who said that TMO would raid JUST because they want to block everyone else from raiding. I questioned that a couple of times because it sounded like little more than a vengeful comment from someone who's on the losing end of things.

And now you are switching tunes to "I raid cause it's fun in and of itself" and acting like I'm dense for not understanding that raiding sans pixels/spite can be fun, when that is actually just redirecting the conversation to something else after you decided you don't want to claim to know what is on TMO's collective minds anymore.

PLUS you're throwing more vengeful comments at TMO even though there is no place in this immediate discussion for accusations of rule lawyering.


Just admit that you're blinded by your hatred for TMO and that they aren't actually out to get you (well except that they might actually be out to get YOU), but that they raid for the same reasons everyone else does: raiding, winning at raiding, and getting loot from raiding. They just seem to be more interested in those 3 things than anyone else on the server, so they end up with the vast majority of the raiding, wins, and loot.

[Toodles]

Why is this so difficult?

Have each top (or contending /capable) guilds message Nilbog or Sirken the days and times during the week they'd like to raid - with a maximum allowance set by the server GMs at their discretion.

Then when they are in the zone, the boss is spawned and the GMs hang around(or come back) when it's over to make sure there's no loot bugs, zone crashes etc.

Additionally you're allowed as many wipes or attempts as you want, providing no other guild has reserved a slot anytime soon after yours(all registrations to be minimum three or five hours apart etc)

Everyone gets a shot, everyone gets some loot if successful and no more camping, training, interfering etc.


Otherwise, quit fighting over something completely unimportant. And guild leaders, quite guilt tripping your players into going to 'help the guild' by farming for items to 'help raid' and then end up sitting around for hours doing nothing just so you can settle a score with another guild.

People are more important than your ego. /realitycheck

[Toehammer]

itt:
1) A BDA member proposes a rotation. BDA wants a more friendly server, but they really can't "compete". By compete I mean recruit players from across the world to curbstomp 13 year old AI and track 24/7.
2) TMO does not want a rotation; this will never change. When they are losing they just get mad, and then get even... usually by rules lawyering, sometimes legit though! They love to "win". By win I mean kill the same stuff over and over to gear up whomever is cycling through their guild.
3) X pages of TMO trolling (thanks quido!) trying to get it moved to RnF.
4) BDA and other people trying to salvage something constructive from something broken. (This is the overall metaphor for the entire raid scene, not just this thread)

It is good to see that the server is as healthy as always. I love Blue99, but don't forget, you can play both Blue and Red at the same time... and none of this drama exists on Red.

Doesn't the cycle ever get tiring? From both sides?

[quido]

You're welcome, dumbass.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, no no no. Don't get all "How is this so hard for you to understand?" with me.

YOU are the one who said that TMO would raid JUST because they want to block everyone else from raiding. I questioned that a couple of times because it sounded like little more than a vengeful comment from someone who's on the losing end of things.

I know you want to focus on "just", but let me highlight the true emphasis of the relevant post:

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not a member, but in my experience raiding against them, they'd do it just for the lolz of denying the kill to others. They want the competition, it keeps them sharp and focused. Gives them the "thrill of the hunt." But they never said anything about "fair" or "even" competition.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And now you are switching tunes to "I raid cause it's fun in and of itself" and acting like I'm dense for not understanding that raiding sans pixels/spite can be fun, when that is actually just redirecting the conversation to something else after you decided you don't want to claim to know what is on TMO's collective minds anymore.

I apparently need to remind you that Everquest is a game. I would hope anyone playing it, TMO, myself, yourself, and R. A. Salvatore, are all playing it for fun, "sans pixels and spite." If the only reason I logged on was to train TMO, I'd walk away from the game. I also don't know whats on TMO's collective minds, I prefaced every post stating I was not a member. But, in my experience raiding against them, and believing some of the things their members post (even Alarti for whatever that's worth), I believe they don't raid for pixels. As one of their members stated, the pixels are a byproduct of their efforts.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PLUS you're throwing more vengeful comments at TMO even though there is no place in this immediate discussion for accusations of rule lawyering.

Yup, I've added extra remarks that are vitriolic in nature and do not forward the OP. Pot > kettle > black.

By the way, when I hit "quote" for your latest post, you had apparently edited this out but it was recovered by the server for me to read:

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just admit that you're blinded by your hatred for TMO and that they aren't actually out to get you (well except that they might actually be out to get YOU), but that they raid for the same reasons everyone else does: raiding, winning at raiding, and getting loot from raiding. They just seem to be more interested in those 3 things than anyone else on the server, so they end up with the vast majority of the raiding, wins, and loot.

I honestly don't care if you believe me one way or the other, but there are many people who still play on this server, and quite a few that have left, that have a more seething fury against TMO than I. If I had a blind hatred for TMO, do you think I'd post this:

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, TMO is a guild founded on server domination. They have acquired the pixels and endless stream of characters that elevates the entry requirements into the raid scene arena. They're like the Yankees, except their salary cap is even higher than that of the Yankee's and their competition is all sitting around the $100mil mark.

Honestly, they've busted their collective asses and now they are sitting high atop the mountain with their laurels. They expect, arguably rightfully so, for any competition to usurp them as they usurped their predecessors. However, the fortress they've built is larger than the fortress they defeated, which is an honest defense technique, but makes their claims for competition hollow.

My only gripe is with the "new guard" of TMO, who didn't put in the collective work that the old guard did and yet still feels the right to look down upon the rest of the server. Both parties know who they are.

Personally, it sounds like I have respect for the old guard of TMO. If you don't see it that way, that is your prerogative.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is this so difficult?

Have each top (or contending /capable) guilds message Nilbog or Sirken the days and times during the week they'd like to raid - with a maximum allowance set by the server GMs at their discretion.

Then when they are in the zone, the boss is spawned and the GMs hang around(or come back) when it's over to make sure there's no loot bugs, zone crashes etc.

Additionally you're allowed as many wipes or attempts as you want, providing no other guild has reserved a slot anytime soon after yours(all registrations to be minimum three or five hours apart etc)

Everyone gets a shot, everyone gets some loot if successful and no more camping, training, interfering etc.

So you want the GMs to spend a ton of manhours to effective create a simulacrum of instancing on a server that's intended to recreate the classic, EQ experience? K.

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Otherwise, quit fighting over something completely unimportant.

. . .

People are more important than your ego. /realitycheck

Look at you! The Big Man, logging onto p99 forums to tell all of us nolifers about the meaning of life.

[Toodles]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you want the GMs to spend a ton of manhours to effective create a simulacrum of instancing on a server that's intended to recreate the classic, EQ experience? K.

Is it that hard? They spend more time dealing with the drama, nonsense and log studying (because of players' exploitations), than they would if they had some organized system in place.

And fu** the 'classic' experience at this point, there's so much NON classic here it's useless. They could at least salvage some of the morale of the server by bringing some order to the table.

Just because it's classic doesn't mean it's good.

The real reason we can't come to any resolution with this issue?; is because the players in power /control actually don't want it and the GMs don't give a crap either way.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at you! The Big Man, logging onto p99 forums to tell all of us nolifers about the meaning of life.

Clearly your attitude makes my point about any resolution.
It's no skin off my back - if you don't want to make progress fine...continue being a nolifer as you call yourself.

What is it you kids say 'you mad bro?'

[suptoofs]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, no no no. Don't get all "How is this so hard for you to understand?" with me.

YOU are the one who said that TMO would raid JUST because they want to block everyone else from raiding. I questioned that a couple of times because it sounded like little more than a vengeful comment from someone who's on the losing end of things.

And now you are switching tunes to "I raid cause it's fun in and of itself" and acting like I'm dense for not understanding that raiding sans pixels/spite can be fun, when that is actually just redirecting the conversation to something else after you decided you don't want to claim to know what is on TMO's collective minds anymore.

PLUS you're throwing more vengeful comments at TMO even though there is no place in this immediate discussion for accusations of rule lawyering.


Just admit that you're blinded by your hatred for TMO and that they aren't actually out to get you (well except that they might actually be out to get YOU), but that they raid for the same reasons everyone else does: raiding, winning at raiding, and getting loot from raiding. They just seem to be more interested in those 3 things than anyone else on the server, so they end up with the vast majority of the raiding, wins, and loot.

You are either blatantly ignorant, or didn't read correctly.

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also don't know whats on TMO's collective minds, I prefaced every post stating I was not a member.

Oh I get it, its like when someone preface's a statement with "no offense" and then say something highly offensive.

No offense, but you are an idiot.

[suptoofs]

Originally Posted by kbnexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh I get it, its like when someone preface's a statement with "no offense" and then say something highly offensive.

No offense, but you are an idiot.

Why do you speak? You literally have nothing ever constructive to say.