FTE is Fing stupid

[Harazzer]

There is no solution.

BDA has neither the interest or ability to compete for raid mobs. That is a simple fact. While BDA may be numerically similar to TMO at a given time, the difference is only a fraction of the guild are raiders, a much smaller percentage are 60. Moreover due to the rolling spawn window situation, TMO has the capacity to camp out entire raid forces at multiple mobs near the end of window and play alts or whatever. I'm not complaining about these things... its ofcourse the best way to guarantee winning them. But calling it "competition" is a laughable misnomer. Its like saying "BDA you get this stick, now go fight TMO's sherman tank." Oh look the competition is over and TMO won. BDA gets mobs if its in window during prime time and we sock them for a few hours and get lucky. The other 99.7% of the time TMO gets them.

That being said, the truly surprising comments on this thread are from the GMs, who essentially have said we don't give a fuck about how this situation impacts the server. Rotations will never work in reality, it requires too much give on TMO's end and there is simply no reason for them to give away loot when they are a guild founded on loot acquisition. I don't expect TMO to act in any way other than their own self interest, even if it is detrimental to the server because this is human nature. But the staff should be somewhat more far-seeing than this and attempt some sort of a compromised solution.

Essentially as long as Sirken has decreed that this archaic and retarded concept of the first person on the aggro list has loot rights the raid scene will continue to be a shitstormy mess.

[Eccezan]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the P99 end raid scene.

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[Arkanjil]

The P99 raid scene is pretty much how it went on Fennin Ro, where TMO was founded. This is nothing new for us.

[Anesthia]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the P99 end raid scene.

Except for the part where people take 13-year old pixels seriously.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they [TMO] are a guild founded on loot acquisition.

No, TMO is a guild founded on server domination. They have acquired the pixels and endless stream of characters that elevates the entry requirements into the raid scene arena. They're like the Yankees, except their salary cap is even higher than that of the Yankee's and their competition is all sitting around the $100mil mark.

Honestly, they've busted their collective asses and now they are sitting high atop the mountain with their laurels. They expect, arguably rightfully so, for any competition to usurp them as they usurped their predecessors. However, the fortress they've built is larger than the fortress they defeated, which is an honest defense technique, but makes their claims for competition hollow.

My only gripe is with the "new guard" of TMO, who didn't put in the collective work that the old guard did and yet still feels the right to look down upon the rest of the server. Both parties know who they are.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, TMO is a guild founded on server domination.

Would TMO continue raiding if there were no pixels?

[Maze513]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My only gripe is with the "new guard" of TMO, who didn't put in the collective work that the old guard did and yet still feels the right to look down upon the rest of the server. Both parties know who they are.

This man sees the forest threw the trees

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would TMO continue raiding if there were no pixels?

I'm not a member, but in my experience raiding against them, they'd do it just for the lolz of denying the kill to others. They want the competition, it keeps them sharp and focused. Gives them the "thrill of the hunt." But they never said anything about "fair" or "even" competition.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not a member, but in my experience raiding against them, they'd do it just for the lolz of denying the kill to others. They want the competition, it keeps them sharp and focused. Gives them the "thrill of the hunt." But they never said anything about "fair" or "even" competition.

So you think TMO would continue to raid even if they had BIS gear for every main and alt, or alternatively that they'd continue to raid even if mobs dropped no loot at all?

I guess you're entitled to believe that the guild just exists just to spite other people who want epic loot while not having to work as hard for it as the TMO members are willing to, but I find it pretty unlikely that they would raid "just for the lolz."

[falkun]

Outside of resist gear, Guts for epic, and SS legs, I have very little to look forward to in the raiding game. I still make every raid target I can and enjoy pulling Kunark dragons, kiting/training Fear for Draco/CT, etc. I'll stop attempting to speak on TMO's behalf lest I misrepresent them as a non member, but even if I were fully geared, I'd still raid, probably as the bard (and not gear up more than 1 alt) because bards are super important to the raid scene and they have tons of skills to master (not in-game abilities, but the ability to play the class well).

How is that so difficult to comprehend? Raiding is fun, fair competition is fun. But when you know you are beat, but you still lawyer for the win, that's where I run into issues.