FTE is Fing stupid

[quido]

Hey just because we're not handing Sev engages to BDA and Divinity (guilds that have killed him) doesn't mean we wouldn't for someone like Full Circle or whoever. Recently at a draco we saw Full Circle was in a clear PoF and instead of sending our bards to go tag the thing, we gave them 5 or 10 minutes to get an attempt. I'm not promising anyone anything, but if you're some guild that hasn't killed one of these lower priority targets before, I think most people would be behind giving you an attempt. When you demonstrate that you can kill it, though, is when we cease with the leeway. I think that's fair enough.

[Knightt]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey just because we're not handing Sev engages to BDA and Divinity (guilds that have killed him) doesn't mean we wouldn't for someone like Full Circle or whoever. Recently at a draco we saw Full Circle was in a clear PoF and instead of sending our bards to go tag the thing, we gave them 5 or 10 minutes to get an attempt. I'm not promising anyone anything, but if you're some guild that hasn't killed one of these lower priority targets before, I think most people would be behind giving you an attempt. When you demonstrate that you can kill it, though, is when we cease with the leeway. I think that's fair enough.

i dont see anything wrong with this at all hopefully we get that 5 or 10 min window from you guys one day

[canker]

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what I've gathered from this thread is, from TMO members' point of view, if you have a full time job, kids, wife, family, ect., you will not really have a chance to experience the end game. Shouldn't everyone have a chance to experience it, no matter how casual/hardcore?

I can dedicate a fair share of time to EQ on certain days, but theres no way in hell i can log on in the middle of the day to kill a raid mob.

Don't take this question the wrong way, this isn't a sob story, just a legitimate question

I hate this argument. most TMO members have full time jobs or significant others/families to care about, just like everyone else. we do have some members that have slightly less responsibilities than the rest, but it's a large minority compared to the guild as a whole.

where we are different from most casual players/non-raiders is that we're able to balance our time in real life and in everquest to create a healthy compromise between the two. it's not a particularly easy thing to do, and some people just can't figure it out even with time. but to say that just because you or others have real life responsibilities that prevent people from experiencing end game content is just a weak and flimsy excuse. everyone does. it's about achieving balance between the things in your life.

as others have said, we also have players from all over the world. our majority are north american or european time based players, but we have players with different schedules and playtimes to ensure our guilds presence at all times of the day.

[Sirken]

rotations are stupid.

i will not support, suggest, or enforce rotations.

[Llabak]

Awesome feedback! thanks Sirken!

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rotations are stupid.

i will not support, suggest, or enforce rotations.

and having 100 people sit on a spawn point to have FTE decided randomly, or even worse a group of 5-7 people sniping FTE from a legitimate raid force is better? not flaming or questioning any previous rulings, i just think there has to be a better way to do things, what the op and others have suggested would require very little GM involvement if the players were respectful to one another. of course there would still be instances of douchebaggery but i think they would dramatically decrease. and fwiw a rotation does not have to be suggested, supported, or enforced by gms, they werent on Live and yet many servers had them.

[Knightt]

dont think anyone had this problem on live so you cant say that

[toyodafenninro]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...and fwiw a rotation does not have to be suggested, supported, or enforced by gms, they werent on Live and yet many servers had them.

Many servers did have them. Like mentioned before, on some of those servers a guild or group would need to post on a forum and be placed into a line, sometimes weeks or months behind others, to get a shot at a raid target. You might think this won't happen on p1999, but it's important to realize the system contributed to the wait time in that as soon as people realized they'd get a guaranteed shot at a mob, they would form many tiny guilds/friends groups instead of band together to form larger guilds. I don't think anyone wants to see p1999 go that direction.

Secondly, everyone on those Live Rotation servers will remember that it only takes 1 raid guild to ignore the rotation for the entire system to crash and burn. It is a 100% compliance or nothing system. Our GM's have stated they will not endorse or enforce rotations. TMO has no interest in a rotation, and I promise you if TMO didn't exist, there would be at least one guild/force/group on the server who would also prefer to fight for spawns rather than stand in the breadline.

As Jeremy said, we've given lots of shots to those who show some moxie.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and fwiw a rotation does not have to be suggested, supported, or enforced by gms, they werent on Live and yet many servers had them.

thats 100% correct. players are more than welcome to set up any kind of arrangements that they want. and as long as both(all) guilds respect it, it will work fine.


but as i said, i will not suggest, support, or enforce it from my end.

[kbnexus]

i suggest velious, i would also support it ! could you enforce it?