FTE is Fing stupid - Page 8

Knightt · #71 09-02-2012, 12:48 PM

Guys Let em have it man if they honestly still get enjoyment out of killing mobs in 30 sec that is all that matters now if they are doing it just to despite everyone its another thing. either get your guild up there and compete or just drop it . i would love for everyone to get a piece of everything but honestly its not gonna happen. So lets sit around contest what we can and hope that TMO gets bored before velious and starts letting people have some spawns . no sense in stressing about this shit SO PLZ LET IT GO. love your what your trying to do BDA but honestly they must still enjoy zerging and poopsocking and what not so let it be because thats what it is all about sorry i didnt have time to spell check or fix it up for the trolls but late night group in efreeti keeps me down this morning

toyodafenninro · #72 09-02-2012, 01:00 PM

All of the references to waking up at 2am...4am...whatever the time may be, and the difficulties of raiding w/ a wife/kids/dog/ostrich/lizard are silly. If all of TMO raided from the same global time zone this point would have merit. We don't, though. We have members from many varied time zones and locations. We have players in Seattle, Boston, New York...we have players in Spain, and France. We have Canadians from both coasts, Brits and people who log in from Asia. Additionally, we have shift workers like Police, Fire, and Security who routinely work night shifts and for whom logging in at 4am is the equiv of a nice afternoon raid. Most of us have significant others, many are married and many have children. We actively prioritize recruiting based on our timezone needs as well. It really isn't that amazing of a feat for such a group of players to kill merbs at all hours of the day, especially when said kill involves logging in a parked character for 10-30 mins.

Adrieth · #73 09-02-2012, 01:00 PM

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Guys Let em have it man if they honestly still get enjoyment out of killing mobs in 30 sec that is all that matters now if they are doing it just to despite everyone its another thing. either get your guild up there and compete or just drop it . i would love for everyone to get a piece of everything but honestly its not gonna happen. So lets sit around contest what we can and hope that TMO gets bored before velious and starts letting people have some spawns . no sense in stressing about this shit SO PLZ LET IT GO. love your what your trying to do BDA but honestly they must still enjoy zerging and poopsocking and what not so let it be because thats what it is all about sorry i didnt have time to spell check or fix it up for the trolls but late night group in efreeti keeps me down this morning

I have to believe this is not true. I have to believe TMO is burning people out (why are they absorbing other guilds?). I have to believe they actually want to promote competition, but also want to have fun and promote a good community to keep this game running.

The casuals will burn out/get bored before TMO does. I think that's safe to say. I believe doing something like this would be great for the P99 server.

Llabak · #74 09-02-2012, 01:08 PM

Wow, 8 pages and not to R&F yet. Kudos to the forum.

Honest questions: Is Jeremy TMO officer? Have any TMO officers replied? I'm not a BDA officer, so sending a tell to a TMO officer wouldn't be appropriate. Also, the point of this was to solicit the opinion not just of TMO's leadership (who might just say no out of hand) but to appeal to the rank and file of TMO as well. If enough of them agree that a change is in order, it's more likely the officers will be willing to negotiate.

Also, Knix and Nietche, wru? You guys quit BDA because you thought the atmosphere was bad. I'm trying to clean it up. Surely there are some members of TMO who would be willing to set up something to make the raid scene less toxic?

Also, FWIW, the proposed raid order I put up was just a suggestion, and in truth because of time zone issues, I'd expect TMO to still get 5/6 - both of theirs, both open, and probably one of BDA's. Shrug. Are TMO's members really happy with losing mobs to an FTE arms race? Isn't that why the Ragefire rotation went into place?

Knightt · #75 09-02-2012, 01:10 PM

i would love a rotation as much as the next casual guy but im not gonna stoop low and beg for it . ive done what they have done man when i was 13 and i enjoyed the hell out of it . white crosses and no doze for the 25 hrs raids and poop socks we was doing super hard core back in the day . now i cant do it me and my guild is honesly gonna be happen with a little hate , fear, sky and epic fights . BDA has the numbers to do what TMO is doing but not the skill or balls to pull the trigger quit accepting lvl 30s into your guild and focus on what you got like TMO has done you might be able to compete . and again like i said im all for rotation but not gonna stress over not getting it i just hope TMO comes to the sense that they need to do whats good for the server instead for the pixels and alt pixels cause i have countless TMO alts come to me askin to join my guild because they are so sick of what TMO is doing they are so Bored and drawn out and not enjoying the game no more they make alts and hide and join other guilds just to do casual raiding . pathetic imo but they are top dog man just bow down and face it

Servellious · #76 09-02-2012, 01:10 PM

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TMO doesn't let the server even get to the point where it could compete with them. Bitch about freebies all you want jeremy but all honesty TMO is basically getting freebies on every kill rofl

They have EARNED it others have not. Lets all go to vp and train each other to earn something.

Or just enjoy Life and play eq less.

toyodafenninro · #77 09-02-2012, 01:11 PM

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Your game consists of sitting there for hours hitting the track button and being willing to jump up from the dinner table to log on at a moments notice.

I suppose winning is winning, but I just don't see how you can be so proud of this.

It has nothing to do with pride. Read my above reply: It is not hard at all to kill mobs on p1999. It's not that we're proud of ourselves as much as it is that we're amused with people complaining about an apparent inability to step up and succeed.

Yes, EQ involves trackers. It did on live, and it does now. Having a dedicated team of 20 (in a guild of 60-70 people) or so trackers who can hand off tracking mobs in small time increments is not some special advantage, it is part of the raid scene in eq. We're a raid guild. We award trackers with DKP. Trackers are staying, now and through Velious.

Does this disadvantage small, casual guilds with 10-12 members? Sure does. This isn't WoW, and we don't have 12 man raids to cater to people who aren't willing or able to build a larger force. I've never had an issue with this, which contributes to my continued enjoyment of EQ. The people who hated this sort of game play on live either learned to live with it, apped to raiding guilds, or left for other games more friendly to casuals.

I don't feel the least bit bad that an emulated server has ended up the same way the live servers did. I do empathize with the casuals in that there's not another "casual server" they can reroll on, like there were on live - servers where the playerbase agreed on rotations and there was such a thing as a 3 month list for dragons to make sure even the smallest presence has a shot. I wish there was a second p1999 for those people, but there isn't.

JenJen · #78 09-02-2012, 01:12 PM

Adrieth · #79 09-02-2012, 01:15 PM

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It has nothing to do with pride. Read my above reply: It is not hard at all to kill mobs on p1999. It's not that we're proud of ourselves as much as it is that we're amused with people complaining about an apparent inability to step up and succeed.

Yes, EQ involves trackers. It did on live, and it does now. Having a dedicated team of 20 (in a guild of 60-70 people) or so trackers who can hand off tracking mobs in small time increments is not some special advantage, it is part of the raid scene in eq. We're a raid guild. We award trackers with DKP. Trackers are staying, now and through Velious.

Does this disadvantage small, casual guilds with 10-12 members? Sure does. This isn't WoW, and we don't have 12 man raids to cater to people who aren't willing or able to build a larger force. I've never had an issue with this, which contributes to my continued enjoyment of EQ. The people who hated this sort of game play on live either learned to live with it, apped to raiding guilds, or left for other games more friendly to casuals.

I don't feel the least bit bad that an emulated server has ended up the same way the live servers did. I do empathize with the casuals in that there's not another "casual server" they can reroll on, like there were on live - servers where the playerbase agreed on rotations and there was such a thing as a 3 month list for dragons to make sure even the smallest presence has a shot. I wish there was a second p1999 for those people, but there isn't.

Surely we can work out all your concerns. My proposal earlier would still involve active tracking and races of skill/balls. We need to set a bar of entry, and need a test to see if guilds who want to be involved can meet that bar (maybe win 3 races or something to that effect).

Let's not throw it all away just because of skepticism or assumption.

suptoofs · #80 09-02-2012, 01:16 PM

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End game is VP, do you think TMO wants to deal with trains in VP over and over again? They don't kill Trak for loot. It's a cockblock, and I agree with a top guild doing that.

This is the real reason, no matter how you look at it.