How do Barbarian Shamans and their toys hold up in Velious?

[Spitty]

Or, you could get off your illegitimately high horse and -

1. Learn something new for a change

2. Quit changing your argument from "it's impossible..." to "All I'm saying is...".

You have the consistency of pissed-in cake batter.

Six years is cute, though =).

[MaksimMazor]

I like the book you wrote earlier Reikerz

[SomberSunday]

So basically what everyone is saying is: If you want to play a shaman, roll a Gnome.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Reikerz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

stuff

Anyone can set up a straw man and knock it down. It's certainly much easier to do that than to refute any of what I've actually said. I've never said anything about a perfect world where you get no resists or fizzles. Every race has to deal with those issues, and they only present a minor additional inconvenience when timing bash properly.

I love your math... You show how over a 30 minute fight, stun immunity will give you the ability to cast 2 extra torpor, to gain 2400 hp. Then you dismiss lame +8 standing regen. Let's see, 8 hp per tick = 80 hp per minute * 30 min = 2400 hp. Let's ignore the fact that if you're timing bash properly, you won't let torpor drop and so you don't really gain those 2 extra torpors. Even if you do get those awesome gains, you end up even with the troll on hp, and having spent an extra 400 mana. Next time you say "math time", don't stop doing math after only analyzing half of the equation.

I'll give you some help on your argument, since you seem to be having trouble forming a decent one yourself. When bashed, you get stunned for 1.5 seconds. That is extra downtime. Even if you time your big spells around bash, as every good shaman should, you still lose out about 1/2 cast of canni each time you are bashed. This happens about every minute, so you lose roughly 1 canni cast every 2 minutes. This is what you should be focused on if you want to argue the benefits of stun resist.

Of course, against the very hardest hitters where you have to back off canni after unlucky streaks of hits, this effect is negated. If you're never reaching full hp with torpor ticking nonstop, the stun immunity offers no benefit. And these are precisely the fights where extra regen offers the greatest benefit (use your math to understand why).

[aegeryen]

Originally Posted by SomberSunday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So basically what everyone is saying is: If you want to play a shaman, roll a Gnome.

Sound advise

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Reikerz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thx

God damn get rid of that Gif. How do you expect people to read your stuff with that stupid thing repeating 50 times a minute.

[Autotune]

So, knowing when a bash is coming up helps you know when to not cast, but what if you need to cast something when that bash timer is about to hit?

Do you
A) die
B) die
C) Change time and space so that you can some how change your spells around in a way that doesn't affect your efficiency and you don't run OOM from overlapping spells too soon.


To be bashed or not be bashed, that is the question.

When it comes to RNG bash will affect you, regardless of how well you can count to ten on your fingers, unless you're an ogre and you give 0ducks.

That said, I'd still rather be a lizard in velious.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, knowing when a bash is coming up helps you know when to not cast, but what if you need to cast something when that bash timer is about to hit?

Do you
A) die
B) die
C) Change time and space so that you can some how change your spells around in a way that doesn't affect your efficiency and you don't run OOM from overlapping spells too soon.

D) Cast either far enough in advance to land the spell right before the bash, or start cast right after the bash. You have a 6 second window in which you can land your torpor and have 0 waste. The only problem then is if the bash timer lines up exactly with the start of this 6 second window (or up to 1.5 seconds before the window starts). This situation can be avoided if you use your brain. Hint: Think about the pattern of bashes with a 32 second bash cycle and 24 second torpor cycle. Another hint: You can't control the server's timing on torpor ticks, but you can control when the bash cycle starts.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

D) Cast either far enough in advance to land the spell right before the bash, or start cast right after the bash. You have a 6 second window in which you can land your torpor and have 0 waste. The only problem then is if the bash timer lines up exactly with the start of this 6 second window (or up to 1.5 seconds before the window starts). This situation can be avoided if you use your brain. Hint: Think about the pattern of bashes with a 32 second bash cycle and 24 second torpor cycle. Another hint: You can't control the server's timing on torpor ticks, but you can control when the bash cycle starts.

With melee interruptions and resists, I still can see where people will have to cast with a bash incoming or die.

[pasi]

When you time spells around bash, do you assume every bash is going to hit? Say spell cast recovery time finishes and you want to canni, but your bash metrognome shows there is a bash in 2.273 (repeating) seconds. Do you cast? The Ogre doesn't give a hoot.

I mean, this isn't some age-old question without an answer. There's probably a giant sticky on Samanna that says 'ROLL OGRE.'

Hint: Think about the pattern of bashes with a 32 second bash cycle and 24 second torpor cycle. Another hint: You can't control the server's timing on torpor ticks, but you can control when the bash cycle starts.

Since this is a Velious thread, are you timing your initial bash starting cycle around the first slow attempt? Most everything in Velious is very MR and you're going to have to spend a few attempts slowing, and possibly even kiting until you can override malo with malosini (or even proc tash).