Where did WoW go right?

[lawll]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I don't get it.....

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by lawll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't get it.....

Rift is basically a wow clone.

[Diggles]

If water caused Clarity in EQ i wouldnt play any other game

[Houdiny]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rift is basically a wow clone.

What I played of Rift (max level, GSB raiding, and HK+ some scattered events) was much like my experience in WoW. Short lived. And easy. Didn't hold my interest very long.

[Sebastionleo]

WoW did one thing that every game since has introduced, and that's the ability to quest through the game rather than blindly grinding the next dungeon for EXP. They made gear easy to get, raids smaller, PvP bigger, and introduced an auction house. Battlegrounds allow you to play FPS style games like capture the flag and battlefield style point holding. Lore was more easily found, and already well known from the Warcraft games. Down time while soloing was practically removed entirely, and soloing was possible by all classes, not just select casters. The game was simply much more user friendly, you could pick it up and play for a few minutes and actually accomplish something worthwhile. For the casual gamer, which is a much larger percentage of the pool of gamers, WoW was the best, easy to pick up, easy to solo when you can't play long enough to form a group, and easy to form a group when you do want one.

[rubinoff]

Its clear that no one posting here has high end raiding exp in both WOW and EQ other than square. Everything in WOW is significantly harder than EQ (other than the simple time required to do things). Cast sit cast sit cast sit, totally hard. Camp mob for hours at a time until spawn, impossibly hard. Die and CR while pissed off, hard. Square has stated it several times but just to clarify there is one big difference between WOW and EQ. Leveling is a major part of the total game experience in EQ, leveling in WOW doesn't mean anything other than to prepare you for the real game which starts at max level.

For a long time WOW had a great balance of what a casual player could do, a regular player, and a hard core player but sadly, starting with the sunwell debuff, blizzard decided $$$$$$ was more important that any thing else. The more stuff a bad player or casual player can do (and be rewarded like an elite player) the more bad and casual players would subscribe. We all know there are a lot more terrible/casual players than hardcore/or good players.

As for my vaulted raiding exp, did plenty of kunark velious and luclin on EQ, my RL friend is Dalnoth of Triality who some of you might know... so I got to see a lot of end game content (AUTO ATTACK LOL) after I quit.

In WOW I played a warrior. I cleared MC before BWL came out, cleared BWL before AQ 40, cleared aq 40 and naxx (before BC). In pvp I hit rank 11.

During BC i cleared kara -> BT in the appropriate order same as vanilla(including the annoying key/vial quests, Hand of Adal, etc). Duelist in s1-s3. Rage quit after not getting glad for the 3rd time and burn out off clearing BT. Came back did some sunwell and s4 quit again.

When wrath came out I bought it and played my alt a rogue. Cleared naxx with hardmodes (lol so hard) Did some legit hardmodes (nightfall title) and arena up to duelist ranking again but quit again, game looked to be going the wrong way.

Came back for one month and did some uld hardmodes quit again. Came back for two month during cata such an awful joke. Leveled my priest up to 85 did the entire deathwing thing without even reading strats full clear first time. Sat in a bg and healed for 10min without dieing with 2 dps on me. WOW is just awful now its sad...

I think this gives me a pretty good perspective with NO BS about what I have seen in both games, and square is dead on correct really.

[Sebastionleo]

I've killed Lich King, Emp Ssra, all POP raid bosses, NToV. I've done end game raiding on both, and I agree, raiding on WoW is much more difficult than EQ raids. Its not difficult to get 100+ people and zerg Xegony, etc.

[Dirtnap]

The issue you guys keep missing, is the fact that you are only looking at old raids from EQ. You fail to understand that the raid content around the time WoW released was about the same as WoWs content.

You can't judge EQs raid difficulty from just Classic - Velious. Of course WoWs content was harder, it was newer.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Feachie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the main attraction to wow, i think, is that it doesn't need a huge time commitment. you can pick it up and play for an hour or two and see tangible progress and character progression. and unless you want to do bleeding edge progression stuff, raids can be done with 3-4 hours two nights a week.

wow is for people without much time. in a nutshell, wow is for the masses.

Thats its strongest and weakest point at the same time. I loved how quickly I could master it and how little time I spent grinding.

I hated how bored I got with it when I figured out the "systems" of each class, and got tired of seeing yet another run through the same instance and doing the same quests 20x on different characters.

WoW needs more depth, but its a great game.

[Diggles]

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I RAIDED IN WOW AND EQ

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