Where did WoW go right?

[Dirtnap]

Originally Posted by bluntfang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point still stands that WoW had a greater subscription rate than EQ did (this is probably true for any point in WoWs life), which is the point and why we're trying to have a discussion about where WoW went right (well I guess that was over a long time ago though).

WoW only has like 5 million REAL subs. NA and EU servers have about 2.5 million each. Asia has the supposed other 7 million. The subscription model is different in Asia, where you pay for time, not by month. So any account with active time, is still considered active. Even if there hasn't been action on said account.

[Diggles]

it's down to like 1.7 mill on us and 1.8-1.9 on EU

[Diggles]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Source? If it's not right from blizzard or investors in some shape or form, it isn't a source. I'm curious though.

Q1 2011 - 600,000 subscribers lost
Q2 2011 - 300,000 subscribers lost
Q3 2011 - 800,000 subscribers lost
Q4 2011 - 100,000 subscribers lost.
Q1 2012 - 0 subscribers lost.
Q2 2012 - 1,100,000 subscribers lost.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...to-9-1-Million

Like it was said earlier, the Asia subs don't fluctuate, because the cafes and such that you buy time at are permanently enabled and you have to buy time on a user basis at the cafe.

[Dirtnap]

Number of US characters:
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census...ervertypeid=-1

Number of EU characters:
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census...ervertypeid=-1

EDIT: Census from the addon. It's just characters, not accounts, so the actual number of accounts is lower than that. I would imagine this doesn't catch every character, but it catches at least 90% (Some of which are actually free accounts using the free to level 20.)

[bluntfang]

Originally Posted by Diggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with that is you're trying to compare sub rates when the games were practically in a different era. If EQ jumped out in 2004 when the market was ripe for the picking we'd have a whole different story.

also I have endgame experience (wotlk :3)

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Begson/simple

Umm WoW wouldn't exist without EQ. WoW took EQs model and built upon it to make a better game that appeals to a wider audience.

Edit: better is subjective, obviously, but if subscription rates are how we're measuring success, than WoW is better, hands down.

[Diggles]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They lose more than what EQ ever had in quarters alone, damn. I don't see myself going back to WoW, but I have a feeling those subs are gonna jump again next month after the new expansion. If you're here to bash WoW and stuff like these other tools, please walk your ass out now though, thanks.

There's a reason i linked my armory and it wasn't a dead link [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Diggles/simple
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...blestep/simple

[lawll]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They lose more than what EQ ever had in quarters alone, damn. I don't see myself going back to WoW, but I have a feeling those subs are gonna jump again next month after the new expansion. If you're here to bash WoW and stuff like these other tools, please walk your ass out now though, thanks.

Maybe WoW is hitting the cap for the amount of people in the world that would pay to play a mmo each month. I think 9-11 mil people is a lot for a online game that isn't free and a ton more than anyone else has done.

[Diggles]

and once again we go to the "7 million of that is cyber cafes in Asia" fact

[lawll]

Originally Posted by Diggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and once again we go to the "7 million of that is cyber cafes in Asia" fact

Who cares if it's overseas, it's a game a lot of people around the world want to play. How many subs did EQ have outside of america at it's prime? Also people who say that act like the mmo they play should be a special club that only people who are like minded and from the same country should be able to play.

[Diggles]

...you're completely missing the point