Server raiding scene saved!!

[Greeedy]

Are you retarded Houdiny?

[Nirgon]

Sirken is so far removed from having friends in guilds here or side interests.. you are completely high out of your mind.

Bad form making this post.

[BigSlip]

Dont feel sorry for these scrubs.

PS its your own fault OP for making a sarcastic ass post in server caht. I can tell you this thread would land in rnf wether i was here or not.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirken is so far removed from having friends in guilds here or side interests.. you are completely high out of your mind.

Bad form making this post.

i don't think he has a rooting interest, i think the system is stupid and TMO is shady for abusing it

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Sprokets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO has been sniping FTE for over a year now this is old news. IB/TR dealt with it, VD dealt with it. You're TMOs "competition" now so get used to this stuff.

this statement actually makes me sad, i wish that the server staff could see how bad these over lawyered rules are hurting the server. its situations like this that cause people to quit. its a shame that some sort of arrangement cant be agreed to that would benefit everyone. tbh it has nothing to do with this guild or that guild or what gm is in power, it has to do with exploitable loop holes in the current rule system

[BigSlip]

Then quit. Youre gonna lose either way... youre bda..

[quido]

You guys cry too fucking much. True story.

Wahhh, I want it to be such a way that is advantageous to me because we have shitty awareness, WAHHHH!

Man the fuck up.

[BigSlip]

exactly

[mindsculptor]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys cry too fucking much. True story.

Wahhh, I want it to be such a way that is advantageous to me because we have shitty awareness, WAHHHH!

Man the fuck up.

you man the fuck up and dont petition when you lose trak

[Tanthallas]

It is pretty clear what happened today.

TMO got loot off Trakanon with 17 people at their peak engaged on him. These 17 people were the peak, not the force that ran in to engage a raid mob they planned to kill with their own guild. TMO had just wiped with 27 of these same people, so I would really love to hear the argument that it was a sufficient raid force.

I do agree that the 'sufficient raid force' concept is far too ambiguous to be able to fall back on as a rule, though. That is side-stepping the real issue here, however, which is:

1. Not only that TMO actually stoops so low as to have a monk pop up for FTE after they already had a legitimate shot without interference, but that they were actually found to be IN THE RIGHT for engaging in this behavior. Clearly, the rules need to be fucking rethought if this behavior is REWARDED.

2. The atmosphere which has been established on this server - that of rule-lawyering and ridiculous formalism - and its discontents.

3. The fact, based on these rulings, any guild is free to get FTE now as the OP has said. Once you run in with your raid force, you cannot simply 'back out' if someone else got FTE even if they dont have a sufficient force to kill it....let alone if they do.