Most solid duo for Kunark and Velious

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by Gideon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man this place brings out the worst in people.

I sincerely appreciate the feedback on my question, and look forward to hearing more, but let's keep it civil and constructive, please. We all are passionate about our favorite classes and that's what I would like to hear about in the context of a duo, but there's no need for a pissing match here, nor is there any need to run down other's choices of class....It's just a discussion.

Also, it would be most helpful if things like epics and JBBs aren't factored in since, being alts, it will likely be some time before we get those items, if ever. Unless we love them enough to make them mains, but that's to be seen. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Appreciate everyone's input and look forward to reading more.

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I sincerely appreciate the feedback on my question, and look forward to hearing more, but let's keep it civil and constructive, please. We all are passionate about our favorite classes and that's what I would like to hear about in the context of a duo, but there's no need for a pissing match here, nor is there any need to run down other's choices of class....It's just a discussion.

Also, it would be most helpful if things like epics and JBBs aren't factored in since, being alts, it will likely be some time before we get those items, if ever. Unless we love them enough to make them mains, but that's to be seen. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Appreciate everyone's input and look forward to reading more.

JBB is extremely easy to accquire

[ArkhamCifre]

n00b alert! what is JBB?

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by ArkhamCifre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

n00b alert! what is JBB?

jaundiced bone bracer -

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=4532

[Hiragawa]

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Mage =/= Shaman

They're both totally different classes, with very different abilities and play styles. I'm not really sure how you're planning to compare them by 'dps' o.o

[Weekapaug]

I guess what concerns me the most are summoning mobs and the number of casters mobs to be found in Kunark and Velious. I never dealt with all of that during those eras outside of groups, so interested in what people experienced with all of that in particular.

I'm going to hazard a guess that a shammy/monk duo would probably handle summoning mobs than one that includes robed casters, but that's just a guess. Those of you who who played shammys and mages during live kunark and velious, how did you do with summoning mobs in particualr? Casters?

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by Hiragawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Mage =/= Shaman

They're both totally different classes, with very different abilities and play styles. I'm not really sure how you're planning to compare them by 'dps' o.o

And that's why there's no need for a pissing match, beyond keeping the conversation civil, of course.

My question about the "best" duo comes from a standpoint of practicality, not breaking records or outputting the best dps alone necessarily. Any group, duo, trio, or solo for that matter, has to deal with getting to and from a dungeon, has to get safely to the camp/spawn within the dungeon, has to deal with breaking it properly, has to deal with those times when things get out of control with multiple mobs, casting/summoning mobs, etc. It's more a question of what duo best deals with all of it reliably than anything else, for us.

Thank you again for the input. I look forward to hearing more.

[Cogwell]

MAG/SHM: High DPS, No Snare, No CC, No Pulling ability.
substitute CLR: less DPS but some Pulling ability and rezes.

NEC/SHM: Slightly lower DPS than the above, but with snare, CC, and Pulling. If pet tanking, the pet is slightly less sturdy. Works best when Fear kiting.

RNG/SHM: Decent DPS, extra utility in snare, various ranger abilities.
substitute CLR for less DPS, add rezes. Both characters use mail, which can be a downside.

SK/SHM: Moderate DPS but the ability to be full functional in any location, and the ability to take down tough mobs the easiest of all combos.
-preluclin, you dont really want to substitute CLR for SHM here as the SK simply can't kick out enough dmg to make it worthwhile.
-substitute WAR for slightly more damage and tanking, less pulling ability, no snare.
-substitute PAL for more buffing, less DPS, moderate pulling ability, stuns instead of snare.

MNK/SHM: Decent DPS, pulling ability, no snare. MNK can mitigate well but can only produce threat through damage, and therefore SHM will have aggro a lot.
substitute CLR for less DPS and rezes.

WAR/CLR: Moderate DPS, decent starter group to build around. No Snare, CC. Relatively boring. Can Substitute DRU for CLR for added DPS, ports, snares, invis but less heals, no rezes.

SHM + any DPS can be effective but not as effective as those above.

Various combos with ENC can be effective, including CLR/ENC, DRU/ENC, PAL/ENC, but are higher risk and harder to pull off.

Various combos that include aggro or fear kiting with a NEC, DRU, or WIZ in addition to any other DPS can be effective but not as much as those above. They need space to operate which leaves out dungeons, primarily.

In essence - there is no *Best*. Each has pros and cons. Have fun!

[BuzWeaver]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monk / Shaman is probably the best combo for duoing imo.

You get the versatility of shamsn dots/DDs, heals, buffs, slow, SoW, pet dmg, Free JBB and epic dmg.

Monks have high DPS, can tank fairly well non raid targets especially when target is slowed. single pull named.

I agree, its one of my favorites.

[Hiragawa]

Originally Posted by Cogwell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In essence - there is no *Best*. Each has pros and cons. Have fun!

Yeah, this is the most important thing. You guys could even keep going with your Warrior/Cleric Duo (just bear in mind, total lack of dps is going to make things VERY slow, even with your cleric 'dpsing')

You said you were thinking of shaman as one of your choices. As various folks have said, you can pair a Shaman with just about anything. I prefer Shaman/Monk over Shaman/SK myself.. especially if you get your Shammy to worship Innoruuk.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=170

The end result from the full chain is that snare clicky for Inny Shamans and Clerics. So it solves the 'no snare' issue with the monk.