Zimmerman / Martin Shooting

[Slathar]

I think Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter at the very least. I don't think the use of deadly force was necessary in this case.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It wasn't a self-inflicted wound that caused Martin's death and it was not an accident by any stretch of the imagination. So yeah, it's murder. Just because you empathize with the lighter-skinned thug doesn't mean that you get call it anything other than what it was.

You can't murder someone in self defense. Trayvon should not have went all zulu on some guy just for asking him what he was up to, especially if he wasn't doing anything wrong.

[Zereh]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't murder someone in self defense. Trayvon should not have went all zulu on some guy just for asking him what he was up to, especially if he wasn't doing anything wrong.

Someone should have stayed the fuck in his car ~ just like the police told him to do when he made the 911 call. There would be no murder if he would have listened, instead he decided he was the law and initiated a conflict that resulted in death.

[quido]

Zimmerman probably shot him because he couldn't live down getting beat up by a teenager half his size.

[bluntfang]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't murder someone in self defense. Trayvon should not have went all zulu on some guy just for asking him what he was up to, especially if he wasn't doing anything wrong.

Was Trayvon not acting in self defense when a man with a gun chased after him?

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because you empathize with the lighter-skinned thug doesn't mean that you get call it anything other than what it was.

If you want to call me a racist without knowing a damn thing about me, just come out and say it so you can be discredited. Initially, I sided with Trayvon. Facts changed that. I didn't "empathize" with either one - All I heard was a black kid with skittles was killed by a guy with a gun, and initially it looked like a piece of vigilantism. Again, the facts we have access to changed that. I'm open to further evidence.

And you seem to have a very difficult time with the definition of "murder."

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just like the police told him to do when he made the 911 call. There would be no murder if he would have listened, instead he decided he was the law and initiated a conflict that resulted in death.

Can you tell me what exactly he was told by the dispatcher (not the police - that's an interesting error to make if you've actually read the relevant documents) when he made the 911 call? You haven't even read the 911 call or taken the time to look at any of the evidence that will actually be used in trial and you're gonna call this guy a murderer. Do you realize what you're doing when you label someone a murderer? You're saying they themselves either deserve death or life in prison. That's something almost all qualified attorneys disagree with you on. The detectives on the case, back in March, specifically did not try because their consulting prosectors told them there wasn't enough evidence for a manslaughter conviction because it was obvious Martin attacked Zimmerman.

You must be a real genius to be right over all those other people.

And how can you say Zimmerman initiated a conflict? Is talking to someone in public initiating conflict? Because damn, if that's so, I better not go to the circle K on the corner or I might be seen as initiating conflict and therefore forfeiting my right to defend myself. The only evidence we have - even excluding Zimmerman's testimony which is mostly corroborated by witnesses - is that he was attacked and bloodied (That's the police officers who responded and met Zimmerman at the scene), and only fired apparently a single shot into Trayvon Martin.

Have you read the doctor's report regarding Zimmerman's injuries? If not, go do that. We're wasting time if you're going to choose to side with Trayvon just because you like to make snap judgments without the facts and avoid all the obvious problems that are staring you in the face.

How many breakins occurred in his neighborhood prior to that? If you moved in somewhere and were constantly feeling threatened by criminals, you might act differently yourself. 8 burglaries in 14 months. Did you know that?

I wouldn't have done what Zimmerman did because it was dumb. For whatever reason, he confronted the guy who hadn't done anything wrong (yet), just because he was suspicious. But that doesn't change the facts of the scenario, which is that Martin decided to attack Zimmerman (for whatever reason and at whatever potential verbal provocation), broke his nose and apparently beat his head into the ground. Eventually, you attack the wrong person physically, you'll get shot or stabbed.

Martin initiated force - Zimmerman ended it. That doesn't make it murder.

Again, i'm open to new evidence. But everything I see seems to say it was a stupid series of events, but it WAS self defense.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by bluntfang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was Trayvon not acting in self defense when a man with a gun chased after him?

You mean when he was beating a guy on the ground who had a gun? Yeah, i'm sure he went after that guy with his skittles knowing that dude had a gun. Do your homework.

[Visual]

OJ simpson case was better

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Visual [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OJ simpson case was better

Chewbacca defense ftw

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by purist 4.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

>17 yr old kid chilling in own neighborhood
>creepy mexican who u have never seen before begins to leer at you and follow you
>you walk away
>creepy guy continues to stalk you
>you begin to now run away
>creepy guy now running on foot chasing you as fast as he can, you are scared out of your mind
>eventually stop running
>creepy predator now trying to illegally detain you (also known as kidnapping, a felony offense)
>defend yourself for your very own life
>creepy predator shoots you and kills you

Yeah, now find one witness to corroborate any of that. This was in the early evening in a residential neighborhood. I think a short fat mexican chasing a tall skinny black kid would have attracted a little attention.