Open Veeshan's Peak Raid - Phara Dar - Thursday Night

[JenJen]

breaking news : tom cruise and katie holmes have split

[Danyelle]

I'm not saying people aren't allowed to criticize other's actions. I'm also going to make it clear, this post (these posts) aren't in defense of TMO. Nor of IB, or BDA, or VD. It's against the methods you all go about dealing with this. People are refusing to try to be mature about this. If I wanted to take the time to, I could quote about 40 posts from each guild involved, just in the last week alone, that leads me to believe you're all in like 4th grade. You just HAVE to fight.

Criticism is one thing. But it's no excuse to turn to rabid trolling (which many members from all guilds involved do), nor is it an excuse to drag the argument out into Server Chat when it belongs in RnF.

Look at this thread here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=77815

I want you to tell me what you see in that thread. Here i'll help you get started.

He has yet to play any EQEmu server and was not a member of EQEmu prior to coming here.
Found P99 through comments on Youtube.
Doesn't even know how EQEmu works yet.
Has yet to even log in to P99.

^^^This right here. 99% of where this server's population comes from anymore. People that play here, for the most part, don't come from within the EQEmu community at large anymore. Because everyone on EQEmu is aware of P99, and if they wanted to play here they would have done it already. Instead we get people that read the millions of "come join P99!" comments on Classic EQ videos on Youtube, or friends/family of people that already play here, and they decide they want to try it out. They have no idea how EQEmu works. They don't even know what BucaneerBays are. They start out right here, on the forums to try to figure it out. To learn how to ste it up and get a feel for the server and community. You know what the first freaking thing they see is?

"Lol I hate you guys, quit messing with our pixels. We good guys, we share!" - IB

"Lol nope you RmT evil people watch me speak Latin!" - TMO

"Fat mad ban the faggots" - Harrison

Then add on top of that things like the fact that people with spouses/children/roommates have to wait in a 4-5 month queue to get an IP exemption just to play together. You guys wanna get people to play here but almost everything you do is counter productive to that goal.

If you guys can't be civil or friendly with each other (Which I really wish we all could, but I can see that is well beyond possible now) can you at least take this to RnF where it belongs, and keep it there....for good? No one is going to want to play here if this is their first impression of the server. Classic EQ isn't worth this. Nor is this Classic.

Anyway, I'm done. I'd rather not get tangled up in this, but I feel it's something that needed to be said, and I'd be damned if I didn't make an attempt. Ignore me if you want. No skin off my nose now.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sounds like maybe the mods should forum ban alarti forl trolling and clean up this thread if what danyelle says is right.

Im not trolling just defending with logical arguments. If they ban me they would have to ban you and 90%Alarti of this thread, take your attacks to rnf, and i will respond there. i believe there is a threre ready for you.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So its okay to lose your morals if infuriated..ok

or just maybe, they were extending an olive branch to you and giving your guild a chance to be part of a friendlier community.


they weren't going to report you and hopefully could create a dialogue.


but apparently TMO has no interest in playing nice so why should they extend you any courtesy.

I think the bigger rule violation here would be the actual crime.. not the failure to report it right away.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not saying people aren't allowed to criticize other's actions. I'm also going to make it clear, this post (these posts) aren't in defense of TMO. Nor of IB, or BDA, or VD. It's against the methods you all go about dealing with this. People are refusing to try to be mature about this. If I wanted to take the time to, I could quote about 40 posts from each guild involved, just in the last week alone, that leads me to believe you're all in like 4th grade. You just HAVE to fight.

Criticism is one thing. But it's no excuse to turn to rabid trolling (which many members from all guilds involved do), nor is it an excuse to drag the argument out into Server Chat when it belongs in RnF.

Look at this thread here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=77815

I want you to tell me what you see in that thread. Here i'll help you get started.

He has yet to play any EQEmu server and was not a member of EQEmu prior to coming here.
Found P99 through comments on Youtube.
Doesn't even know how EQEmu works yet.
Has yet to even log in to P99.

^^^This right here. 99% of where this server's population comes from anymore. People that play here, for the most part, don't come from within the EQEmu community at large anymore. Because everyone on EQEmu is aware of P99, and if they wanted to play here they would have done it already. Instead we get people that read the millions of "come join P99!" comments on Classic EQ videos on Youtube, or friends/family of people that already play here, and they decide they want to try it out. They have no idea how EQEmu works. They don't even know what BucaneerBays are. They start out right here, on the forums to try to figure it out. To learn how to ste it up and get a feel for the server and community. You know what the first freaking thing they see is?

"Lol I hate you guys, quit messing with our pixels. We good guys, we share!" - IB

"Lol nope you RmT evil people watch me speak Latin!" - TMO

"Fat mad ban the faggots" - Harrison

Then add on top of that things like the fact that people with spouses/children/roommates have to wait in a 4-5 month queue to get an IP exemption just to play together. You guys wanna get people to play here but almost everything you do is counter productive to that goal.

If you guys can't be civil or friendly with each other (Which I really wish we all could, but I can see that is well beyond possible now) can you at least take this to RnF where it belongs, and keep it there....for good? No one is going to want to play here if this is their first impression of the server. Classic EQ isn't worth this. Nor is this Classic.

Anyway, I'm done. I'd rather not get tangled up in this, but I feel it's something that needed to be said, and I'd be damned if I didn't make an attempt. Ignore me if you want. No skin off my nose now.

everything you say just shows weak moderation of the forums.

If you are calling for the internet to be a friendlier place I can get behind that.. but It's not going to get there without people to enforce forum rules.


I could go back and find obvious troll comments by many posters that have nothing to do with topic of the thread.

derail attempt and successes by people to get into pissing matches and the mods do nothing about it.

some posts are nothing but name calling and still nothing is done.

[quido]

Slaves are made in such ways. The last time Getsome spoke of peace I was a boy. And many Transcendence nobles, who would not be slaves, were lured by him under a flag of truce to SolB where he had them trained. I was very young, but I remember Getsome's notion of peace.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Greeedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Danyelle

They broke the rules. Twice. I do not like nitpicking at rules and lawyering, so I just let it go. Alarti infuriated me to the point that I made him and his whole guild aware of why I was sending the SS's. It was quite obvious they muscled the PUG out of VP last night. It was quite obvious that their SK - who ran from the zone in around a little ways until finally finding us at Nexona and camping - was there. Making this information public is a step in the right direction.

The only person derailing this thread is you. Let them answer for what they did - I do not see what role you think you have in this other than making the conversation fork into 10 different directions.

The thread was already derailed into what it is now, check the title. Danyelle derailed nothing and is actually on topic atm with the original derailing of the thread. I'm not quite sure how you are trying to spin this onto them, but that's pretty sad.

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For some reason I don't think inward reflection would solve the problem of TMO's non classic attitude and cockblocking of others.


Hopefully the GM's take a look at that poll and realize a good part of the community (that is left I'm sure there are more that haven't even checked here anymore) is fed up with the situation.


Nobody is claiming to be an angel danyelle.. but saying we aren't allowed to criticize the actions of others because we might have made a mistake in the past is silly and hollow.

TMO has repeatedly shown the one thing lots of courts would agree shows that the guilty have improved.. contrition / sympathy for those they have wronged


all TMO ever says is.. you should be stronger or better because training is possible

like everybody wants to play in a game without any rules at all

might makes right apparently

1st - it's not TMOs "non-classic" attitude. The endgame scene has been this way since long before TMO was on here. It's a p99 attitude that the endgame scene has. (you're an idiot)

2nd - The "attitude" is just as classic as rotations. Countless people have advocated that their classic server had racing and others have said they had rotations. So one is just as "classic" as the other. (you're an idiot)

3rd - People in the raiding scene have been "fed up" with how the raiding scene has been since long before TMO arrived. The hellish long windows targets have has always benefited the hardcore and at the same time, caused major burn out among them. (you're an idiot)

4th - BDA comes off preaching to be angels. If anyone can call them out to not be as such, it's Divinity members who practice what they preach. (you're an idiot)

5th - This isn't court TV (you're an idiot)

6th - In an mmo, might does make you right. It always has, always will and guess what, you're an idiot if you think otherwise. It effectively works the same way in the real world. TMO has also tried to do more for the endgame scene than any other #1 guild in the history of p99 and got shit on because it wasn't "enough" for the standards of guilds that previously got nothing. (you're a fucking idiot again)

Please, by all means, keep being an idiot. I absolutely love calling you on it.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thread was already derailed into what it is now, check the title. Danyelle derailed nothing and is actually on topic atm with the original derailing of the thread. I'm not quite sure how you are trying to spin this onto them, but that's pretty sad.



1st - it's not TMOs "non-classic" attitude. The endgame scene has been this way since long before TMO was on here. It's a p99 attitude that the endgame scene has. (you're an idiot)

2nd - The "attitude" is just as classic as rotations. Countless people have advocated that their classic server had racing and others have said they had rotations. So one is just as "classic" as the other. (you're an idiot)

3rd - People in the raiding scene have been "fed up" with how the raiding scene has been since long before TMO arrived. The hellish long windows targets have has always benefited the hardcore and at the same time, caused major burn out among them. (you're an idiot)

4th - BDA comes off preaching to be angels. If anyone can call them out to not be as such, it's Divinity members who practice what they preach. (you're an idiot)

5th - This isn't court TV (you're an idiot)

6th - In an mmo, might does make you right. It always has, always will and guess what, you're an idiot if you think otherwise. It effectively works the same way in the real world. TMO has also tried to do more for the endgame scene than any other #1 guild in the history of p99 and got shit on because it wasn't "enough" for the standards of guilds that previously got nothing. (you're a fucking idiot again)

Please, by all means, keep being an idiot. I absolutely love calling you on it.

and sadly your comment is why danyelles intention will never happen.. RnF material in server chat and the moderators will do nothing about it.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and sadly your comment is why danyelles intention will never happen.. RnF material in server chat and the moderators will do nothing about it.

oh here, let me respond with a similar statement to yours.


"You started it"

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Slaves are made in such ways. The last time Getsome spoke of peace I was a boy. And many Transcendence nobles, who would not be slaves, were lured by him under a flag of truce to SolB where he had them trained. I was very young, but I remember Getsome's notion of peace.

+1 for Braveheart.