Staff - Players - TMO, a Treatise on the Future of the Server

[Relapse1]

nope no sarcasm here... i truly mean it

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're the only guild on the server who can kill top end stuff right now due to raid suspension. If the TMO ban were magically extended 5.5 more months, BDA would be just as hated by the same people who apparently hate TMO for the same reasons.



Really? IB, VD, and BDA; you're actually going to count these three guilds as 3 separate guilds? Let's not forget The Black Hand (hello Bische, Nightfall, etc.). This relationship between IB/VD and BDA is reminiscent of the IB/VD one prior to when IB left the server except now I'm not sure which guild is prostituting itself to which guild.



This is all one-sided propaganda. Only the truly ingenuous believes that there can ever be a top end guild—by its true definition—who will be loved by all. TMO is very good to this server, and I believed that long before I ever applied to TMO.

By the way, Iddy, who is tagged Enraptured, is accessed by BDA's Shinko. Apparently, TMO isn't the only guild who tags their alts in other guilds like Enraptured. Who knew.

Not sure why you would even chime in and start throwing around tags like you were in the middle of it the whole time... you are a new member with them and did absolutely none of the heavy lifting to make that guild what it is today. shut your mouth and do something more than clicking on an apply button.

[MooseTX82]

There we go again with Enraptured talk where it does not belong.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Krissdu64 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So 90% of the server didnt realize they're playing EQ, which has no instances. You're trying to make a rotation, which is like instances in WOW, but wake up guys, this is NOT WOW.

YOU'RE PLAYING EVERQUEST, YOU WANT LOOTS? FIGHT FOR IT

Some EQ live servers had rotations, which are not instances. If you wipe in an instance, you don't get to see competition taking over the kill. Quite a huge difference.

So, what was your point again?

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Krissdu64 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So 90% of humans didnt realize they're humans, which don't breathe water. You're breathing air, which is like breathing water, but wake up guys, YOU'RE NOT FISH.

^^ Is your comparison, modified to show how it makes no sense. Explain to me...how is a rotation anything like an instance? Because on one else is in the zone? Kinda like how breathing air is exactly like breathing water because both contain oxygen? By that logic, soloing in an unpopulated zone is also instancing.

QUICK GUYS WE NEED AT LEAST ONE PERSON IN EVERY ZONE NOW. DON'T WANT THAT DEVILISH POST-LUCLIN STUFF IN MY EQZ.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're the only guild on the server who can kill top end stuff right now due to raid suspension. If the TMO ban were magically extended 5.5 more months, BDA would be just as hated by the same people who apparently hate TMO for the same reasons.

From day 1 of your guild's suspension, BDA has been open about competition, agreement, and cooperation within the raid scene. If your suspension was magically upheld for another 5.5 months, I'm sure BDA would work with the other guilds to set up opportunities for any raid guild to, at minimum attempt a mob, and probably even split mobs equally, from Vox/Naggy all the way up to Trak. For instance, with only two weeks of free Traks, BDA has allowed all other forces 2-hour windows on alternating Traks, after which we host an open raid. If Divinity had downed Trak, do you not think Divinity would have pushed for more access to Trak? Do you think Sanluen would have denied them that opportunity? At one point, San was your guild leader, and I hope a friend as well. Has your opinion of him become that tainted that quickly?

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? IB, VD, and BDA; you're actually going to count these three guilds as 3 separate guilds? Let's not forget The Black Hand (hello Bische, Nightfall, etc.). This relationship between IB/VD and BDA is reminiscent of the IB/VD one prior to when IB left the server except now I'm not sure which guild is prostituting itself to which guild.

Neitche, its called a guild merge and if you want to know more about how those work, speak with the TMO/DA/Fusion (did you keep any of those guys?) members within your new home, I'm sure they know how mergers work.

Also, you have no idea how the IB/VD relationship was, you were in neither guild, nor the competition TMO at the time. The only knowledge you have of cutthroat raiding and the guild relationships involved are the stories you hear from your elders in your current guild.

Finally, your elders in TMO whined for a long time that IB/VD was a singular guild and should act like one, merge, and compete instead of wanting two raid slots. Now BDA does not want the cutthroat competition IB/VD offered, but it is a single raid guild, as you asked. Neitche, your elders asked for something, they got it, and as an underling sucking off the nipple of their hard work, you need to appreciate the work that everyone actually involved has put into this raid scene. If prostitution exists anywhere in this raid scene, its the new members who have flocked to TMO since they lost competition. Even Stealin would agree with me on this. Its easy to be on top when you don't have to work for it, right Neitche?

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is all one-sided propaganda. Only the truly ingenuous believes that there can ever be a top end guild—by its true definition—who will be loved by all. TMO is very good to this server, and I believed that long before I ever applied to TMO.

I will concede that the top guild usually receives the most flak. However, I offer EQmac as an example of a low-pop server where top raid guilds cooperate instead of compete. Yes, a hierarchy of guilds exist, but that doesn't mean they have to look down upon "lesser" guilds with disdain. The top guild is a positive motivating force, and that filters down through the server's population. Leaders, be they guilds or persons, can lead in multiple styles, suppression is not the only option.

EDIT: Ingenious - (of a person) Clever, original, and inventive.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Relapse1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the game is way more enjoyable when you can just raid with your guildmates and have fun without having to worry about fte or whose bringing the next train

this is lies.

Also, since when does rotations = competing. You guys are all on drugs and not the good ones.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, since when does rotations = competing. You guys are all on drugs and not the good ones.

Originally Posted by sanluen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA does not believe in any way that we own rights to any raid mobs, but we are aware that we have a larger active raid force right now than most. We also want to see a new leaf turned for P99. As such, we are making the following decisions open and public. While we hope and expect that other guilds will be competing with us for all raid targets, we want to ensure that the raid content is spread across the server.

The following raid targets will be left alone by BDA indefinitely:

Nagafen
Vox
Dracoliche (standalone spawns)
Alternate Maestros (2nd, 4th, etc)
Noble Dojorn
Talendor
Second Faydedar
Second Severilous

The following raid targets will be left up for at least two hours after spawning for any other guilds to attempt. After that BDA will host an open joint raid with any guilds that wish to attend. The loot will be rolled on by all present raiders who can use the gear that dropps:

Second Trakanon (and Fourth pending spawn) (excluding teeth and guts)
Second Venril Sathir (Excluding Dru/Rng/Wiz epic items)
Second Innorruuk
Second Gorenaire

Again, BDA makes no claims of possession over any other raid target. We just hope that in the future more cooperation can be seen across the entire spectrum of guilds on Project 1999.

See you in game!

Sanluen's post states that we welcome competition for all raid targets, then outlines BDA's target priority and our time-line for mobilization (immediate > after 2 hours > never). This was neither cutthroat competition, nor was it a rotation. It was BDA stating its raiding goals and opening the door to communication with other guilds.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is lies.

Also, since when does rotations = competing. You guys are all on drugs and not the good ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY02b...feature=relmfu

Archery competition. They seem to take turns at shooting a target. They just try to do it better than the other competitors.

I guess you'd need to watch other stuff than Hunger Games to know what the world can offer.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sanluen's post states that we welcome competition for all raid targets, then outlines BDA's target priority and our time-line for mobilization (immediate > after 2 hours > never). This was neither cutthroat competition, nor was it a rotation. It was BDA stating its raiding goals and opening the door to communication with other guilds.

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some EQ live servers had rotations, which are not instances. If you wipe in an instance, you don't get to see competition taking over the kill. Quite a huge difference.

So, what was your point again?

I didn't read whatever you posted earlier, so wasn't replying to that. Was replying to ^