How do we get players to return to Project1999?

[Grumble]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Combine red and blue, turn on pvp only for zones with active raid content.

Win.

I'm only a lowly newb on this server, so this would have no immediate effect on me. However, if this were implemented I would quit. I detest PvP.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a great idea would it be to just enable the Spawnable Epic kills then? It would certainly buy us a lot of time for velious to come out.

Not really. It might make some of the harde core raiders quit early. They, having done everything, get most of their enjoyment from cock blocking other guilds. The loot at this point is meaningless. Its more about proving that they are the alpha-nerds than anything else.

Take that away and many will lose interest fast.

[maahes]

Originally Posted by BodeanicusBaldingSlob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is all that happened. Sitting on spawnpoints isn't competitive. It's bypassing known rules to win at any means necessary, even when it's VERY OBVIOUSLY against the rules.

Jumped into this conversation in the middle. but I have to say your sentence reminded me of the greatest country in the world. USA.

"bypassing known rules to win at any means necessary."

I can't hate on such actions.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Radditsu, and I am not trying to pick on him or anything, made a post about why kill a mob if its only got one thing someone might need? Well thats what a guild is right? People don't show up to raid based on the contigency that they are guranteed a chance for something for themselves from every mob.

I am putting my self out on these forums, I can be picked on!

I agree with this sentiment. It, however is one thing to do what you can for your guildies at times. It's another when a guild is already in a zone almost to maestro. Have groups port up from you guys. Then a necromancer who, honestly, is not doing with any sort of prompting from your leadership, flop a bunch of dudes on us while presumably pulling through. This example is not a flame bait! If you forgive me I can't 1000% prove this is what happened with fraps etc. Nor do I care to. The respectful thing would have not worried about this maestro in the first place. I now have this person on my friends list and am wary when I see him around however.

I am sure you guys thought the exact same thing at the draco kill. I was not at that particular fear raid so I can not prove/disprove anything about it. It may be a matter of our tactics differing from yours. It may be some sort of "f u" to the big bad tmo guild. In no way is it able to be proven, unless you guys have the ability to read everybody's guildchat, tells, and record all of ventrillo.

Everything is a two way street. We can kill anything outside of VP fairly easily. We have the numbers. Our mobilization is better than it was even a month ago. The casuals are catching up with the big boys because the content is late on timeline. Our Leadership is not interested in the number 1 status. If we were going to do that we would be claiming every target we can muster in these two weeks. We are trying to show everyone, with a tad bit of respect to each others tags, what the community needs to be better in the long run.

Any animosity between ex this and ex that can be checked at the door.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with this is, once again, a fictitious context.

Its very easy and also very ignorant to negate a statement without an explanation. Head to rnf where you belong.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not really. It might make some of the harde core raiders quit early. They, having done everything, get most of their enjoyment from cock blocking other guilds. The loot at this point is meaningless. Its more about proving that they are the alpha-nerds than anything else.

Take that away and many will lose interest fast.

Then the big bad casual guilds win! See what i did there ^_^

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am putting my self out on these forums, I can be picked on!

I agree with this sentiment. It, however is one thing to do what you can for your guildies at times. It's another when a guild is already in a zone almost to maestro. Have groups port up from you guys. Then a necromancer who, honestly, is not doing with any sort of prompting from your leadership, flop a bunch of dudes on us while presumably pulling through. This example is not a flame bait! If you forgive me I can't 1000% prove this is what happened with fraps etc. Nor do I care to. The respectful thing would have not worried about this maestro in the first place. I now have this person on my friends list and am wary when I see him around however.

I am sure you guys thought the exact same thing at the draco kill. I was not at that particular fear raid so I can not prove/disprove anything about it. It may be a matter of our tactics differing from yours. It may be some sort of "f u" to the big bad tmo guild. In no way is it able to be proven, unless you guys have the ability to read everybody's guildchat, tells, and record all of ventrillo.

Everything is a two way street. We can kill anything outside of VP fairly easily. We have the numbers. Our mobilization is better than it was even a month ago. The casuals are catching up with the big boys because the content is late on timeline. Our Leadership is not interested in the number 1 status. If we were going to do that we would be claiming every target we can muster in these two weeks. We are trying to show everyone, with a tad bit of respect to each others tags, what the community needs to be better in the long run.

Any animosity between ex this and ex that can be checked at the door.

That necromancer had the maestro pulled however he ....DIED....not flopped. The problem here is vitriol causes people to assume what happened. The necro got stunned then raped.

Some guild was also in the direct pull path, there is a reason why guild have established pull camps to church, zone in, or other locs for years now.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then the big bad casual guilds win! See what i did there ^_^

Its just competition was always what made EQ great. Kill stealing the orc trainer or cock blocking guilds from elemetals by perma farming RZtW, its what made EQ what it was, for good or for bad. Take that away and instance everything and you are just playing a crappier version of WOW.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its just competition was always what made EQ great. Kill stealing the orc trainer or cock blocking guilds from elemetals by perma farming RZtW, its what made EQ what it was, for good or for bad. Take that away and instance everything and you are just playing a crappier version of WOW.

Wrong, it's what made it great to you, not to us. Don't speak on behalf of us please. There is a middle ground between 24/7 competition and WoW. It has existed, no need to reinvent the wheel or pretend it never happened.

[radditsu]

He did die that is true. The point i am making that it should not have even been attempted. We were on the last two mobs from the cubby. Then we got a whole bunch of other stuff on us. Maestro tapping us all the while until he pathed through, presumably with a second tag. So we were unprepared for him coming through, half our raid got hit with a lifetap, enchanters scrambling to mez mobs, tanks occupied, etc. All because we casuals did not know about some sort of established pull camp that seems suspect at best. Wonder how those pull paths are going to work with the new aggro in hate. Looks like it will have to be re-established anyway.

If the shoe was on the other foot. What would you guys think? I would really think you guys are jerks.

It's a two way street. Apparently now people are also recording this stuff. So we can either do this tic for tac raid ban crap. If you guys really wanted to or desired to, I am sure you guys will find some sort of infraction to how we pull a bee in sky or something.

Otherwise lets give each other a break with this stuff.