How do we get players to return to Project1999?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Greeedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By 'compete' he of course means BDA or Divinity would not engage in training as TMO would. Nor would they be as good as it even if they tried - it requires a certain amount of on-the-job experience that is lacking in those guilds.

That may be competition and it may not - point is, people seem to have very different conceptions of what competition actually is. Until we have a working definition of 'competition', extremely ambiguous posts that only lead to shit fits like this will continue.

If I recall, TMO could only 'compete' in farming lockets for the first few months that the IB/DW merger guild TR completely owned the server. When they had farmed the crap so long and were still waiting for VP to come out, people just did not log on anymore. IB could barely pull 20 people on a good night, so they merged their raids with VD to get the numbers. Honestly Alarti, I would calm down about how wonderful your guild is...whatever 'competition' means, being able to do it after the fact does not make you special in any way.

Your information is incorrect TMO started by contesting trak. While TR was still pulling 50+ members. They stopped logging in so much after we got a 14 or so Trak kill streak. TR still needed a whole lot of keys and loots from Trak. Long before this streak however but after our first trak kill....which was before the DA/TMO merber btw... we started contesting other spawns started off with about 50/50 kill count with the exception of gore as many of our members were below 60.

Anyways when TR lost their numbers after we got multiple trak kill streaks. They reformed as IB and raided with VD with raids numbers exceeding 60 and sometimes 80.

You can try to change the facts if you want. But our frontpage updates show alot of the facts.

You can call competition training all you want. But if BDA or Div wanted to compete with us even without trains, KSing or poopsocking they would have no chance. This is even admitted by BDA's members. We can mobilize at about triple the speed of any other guild on the server and that included IB or TR. I am not saying just logging in but getting from point A to B.

@falkun VP was gifted to IB. As was proved later on TMO was the dominate VP guild. IB would train us we would train them, but the only guild who got kills during the trains was TMO.
also FYI VP drops more than weapons. Robes, Crowns, Earrings, and Cloaks OH MY
The robe is BIS for many classes until Vulak, the Crown is BiS for some classes until late velious and farter for int casters. The other 2 Phara items last a good bit too.
Not to mention utility drops and other items that last well into velious off hoshkar, xygoz and such.

Further, BDA has participated in kiting mobs too i.e. Draco. Not to mention the one mob we were kiting was while waiting on a Sirran depop after you leapfrogged us and killed 2 after we killed isle 1.
Super jerk move!

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by sedrie.bellamie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a reason you guys are called casual. It takes dedication to ... do things like break fear and hate. If these things were so easy all the casuals would do them. But it takes 25+ people and smart leadership.

People in this thread think it is as easy as getting 30+ people to show up. Make sure those 30 have MR over 250, make sure you have clerics/chanters each with bag loads of 'dots. Make sure your puller and Main Assist know their jobs.

Raiding is not like getting a pick up group in KC or seb. You need people who won't AFK for an hour, you need people who know how to play their classes and know their role in a raid. These things just dont happen over night.

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Stop asking for hand outs, stop asking for free mobs, stop asking the GMs to get involved. If you want a raid mob, get a raid and take that mob.

I don't even know what this conversation is about anymore, but I wanted to point out how hilariously out of touch you are with the raid scene and the casual guilds that play on it. Firstly, what world do you live in where it takes 25+ people to break fear or hate, or where casual guilds even have a problem doing this? Do you think the reason casuals aren't getting CT on a regular basis is because they don't know how to break Fear? We've been there, we've done that, we've killed every non-VP mob on this server except Gore and Trak at some point. Our pullers and main assists know how to do their jobs. Our clerics and enchanters all have copious amounts of peridots. We don't have members who go AFK for an hour, and everyone knows their role. No one is asking for handouts or free mobs. We just want the raid scene to demand approximately the same amount of time investment that would have been demanded in classic, where casual raid guilds got mobs all the time. If you think the top guilds monopolize content on this server because they're just so much more skilled, or that casual guilds do poorly because they suck at the game, then you're delusional.

[BodeanicusBaldingSlob]

Most of us have been there; done that.

If you think you're more skilled than someone else, there is a good chance you are deluding yourself out of fear of the realization that you are another mediocre scrub only getting what they have because raid rules are being broken and not enforced. (Such as poopsocking. The variance is there to curb this, but no one expected people to be SO pathetic that they would sit through the entire variance window anyways. Poopsocking is basically looking at the staff and telling them, "Fuck you. We're doing what we want anyways, regardless of what you say.")

[inyane]

TMO probably owns 75% of the level 60 accounts on the server, and I suspect a great many of them are left at strategic login locations.

It's not much of a race when it takes your guild 30 secs to log off whatever character they are playing and log in to the buffed and ready to go raid force sitting at trak, or wherever.

As for TMO "competing" back in the day when they weren't #1...all I remember about those days is that it was about HUGE poopfests. I don't ever remember reading anything about the awesome races TMO was winning by mobilizing, but I do remember reading about them sitting the raid force on spawns for 3+ days.

I think everyone on the server would be happy if the GM's would just give everyone in TMO their epics, and best in slots, so they would have no reason to log in, and the rest of us could actually enjoy the game.

[Greeedy]

Are you clinically insane Alarti?

[BodeanicusBaldingSlob]

Originally Posted by inyane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO probably owns 75% of the level 60 accounts on the server, and I suspect a great many of them are left at strategic login locations.

It's not much of a race when it takes your guild 30 secs to log off whatever character they are playing and log in to the buffed and ready to go raid force sitting at trak, or wherever.

As for TMO "competing" back in the day when they weren't #1...all I remember about those days is that it was about HUGE poopfests. I don't ever remember reading anything about the awesome races TMO was winning by mobilizing, but I do remember reading about them sitting the raid force on spawns for 3+ days.

I think everyone on the server would be happy if the GM's would just give everyone in TMO their epics, and best in slots, so they would have no reason to log in, and the rest of us could actually enjoy the game.

That is all that happened. Sitting on spawnpoints isn't competitive. It's bypassing known rules to win at any means necessary, even when it's VERY OBVIOUSLY against the rules.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can call competition training all you want. But if BDA or Div wanted to compete with us even without trains, KSing or poopsocking they would have no chance. This is even admitted by BDA's members. We can mobilize at about triple the speed of any other guild on the server and that included IB or TR. I am not saying just logging in but getting from point A to B.

Yep but you have to admit BDA is getting better at moving from point a to b. We do not have dedicated alts sitting in Various spawns to get the mob locked down and get that fte everybody wants. Nor do we have a significant amount of players bound in a central location to facilitate mobilization(aka karnors). Getting better though. You guys are the clear top of the sever when it comes to that stuff. However on live this was not the end all be all of a raid. Frequently multiple targets would spawn. That is a rarity here. I have seen you posted the reason we got trak (before ban) was because inny popped right before it. How rare is it that happens? You guys had to choose. Server repop plus a shorter variance would solve this. Again, you would still get just as much loot. You would get to pick and choose your priority.

If 4 or 5 dragon killing guilds were on this server. You guys may not get a talendor/sev/fay on a server pop. You would, as it stands, get all of vp. What is more important to you? Best in slot items or a few warriors maestro hands? With your mobilization you could snag trak or vs then head to vp. That keeps teeth out of other guilds hands.

We see you murdering VS, we go for trak. We are out of your way, but still a race. Because you can mobilize to trak and snag it if we do not have a great presence there. You still get a ton of loot. We get better. We don't have random necromancers "accidentally" training the groups killing juggs. The <TMO> tag is clean. No bans.

You want to fight us like you guys and IB fought. The "Casual" guilds are not interested. The "Casuals" do not want to think people are a certain way because of a guildtag. I WANT to like the guys in TMO. I do not hate the guys who left BDA for TMO. I think down the line we are going to need each other to get over the hump of some velious stuff. I do not want to see the senario we are seeing on red right now, with an entire server for 30 people. We need a positive influx of quan right now.

Start here and propose some changes to the landscape as it is right now. We have some good ideas. Maybe this is what they are thinking already. Maybe he will read this thread and tweak the proposal a tad to suit our positive ideas. Heck Stealin' liking something should get everybody's attention!

Or maybe the "winter is coming" nonsense will have IB back at velious and you guys can have all the "fun" you guys want.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Greeedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you clinically insane Alarti?

no. lol why post a rhetorical question without any reason for your judgement...go to rnf

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep but you have to admit BDA is getting better at moving from point a to b. We do not have dedicated alts sitting in Various spawns to get the mob locked down and get that fte everybody wants. Nor do we have a significant amount of players bound in a central location to facilitate mobilization(aka karnors). Getting better though. You guys are the clear top of the sever when it comes to that stuff. However on live this was not the end all be all of a raid. Frequently multiple targets would spawn. That is a rarity here. I have seen you posted the reason we got trak (before ban) was because inny popped right before it. How rare is it that happens? You guys had to choose. Server repop plus a shorter variance would solve this. Again, you would still get just as much loot. You would get to pick and choose your priority.

If 4 or 5 dragon killing guilds were on this server. You guys may not get a talendor/sev/fay on a server pop. You would, as it stands, get all of vp. What is more important to you? Best in slot items or a few warriors maestro hands? With your mobilization you could snag trak or vs then head to vp. That keeps teeth out of other guilds hands.

We see you murdering VS, we go for trak. We are out of your way, but still a race. Because you can mobilize to trak and snag it if we do not have a great presence there. You still get a ton of loot. We get better. We don't have random necromancers "accidentally" training the groups killing juggs. The <TMO> tag is clean. No bans.

You want to fight us like you guys and IB fought. The "Casual" guilds are not interested. The "Casuals" do not want to think people are a certain way because of a guildtag. I WANT to like the guys in TMO. I do not hate the guys who left BDA for TMO. I think down the line we are going to need each other to get over the hump of some velious stuff. I do not want to see the senario we are seeing on red right now, with an entire server for 30 people. We need a positive influx of quan right now.

Start here and propose some changes to the landscape as it is right now. We have some good ideas. Maybe this is what they are thinking already. Maybe he will read this thread and tweak the proposal a tad to suit our positive ideas. Heck Stealin' liking something should get everybody's attention!

Or maybe the "winter is coming" nonsense will have IB back at velious and you guys can have all the "fun" you guys want.

You guys are doing way better and i grats you guys on your guild discussion thread or in tells to my friends in BDA.
Most don't know this but I was in BDA until TMO(my live guild) came here.

Also, if you read earlier I am for serer repops and made a couple suggestions concerning them. We aren't really worried about losing gore/sev/tal etc.

But as a raid guild we have a responsibility to our members to try to get them their epic pieces they need. VS, CT, Inny are priority targets and Trak too. We still have alot of necros to epic a couple wizzies and a bard or two. Only reason other mobs werent up on our endagered species list were for those reasons and the exceedingly rare drop rate of guts and ct pieces in general.

If you want the server to work better think before you petiiton. TMO hardly petitions and prefers not to. If you think we trained you intentionally talk to our raid leaders first, its never going to be intentional.

I understand you don't hate the guys who left BDA for us.
But some of your guild does, some of the VD guys too.
Yendor ESPECIALLY.

If you claim to have friends in this game(this isnt directed at you radditsu) then be friends anyone who left TMO on good terms has maintained friendships in TMO. Yet some ex BDA members, or ex VD members are getting flamed by their former guildies and friends, both on your boards and in tells, or with harrassment on the 99 forums.
This hyperbolic crap needs to stop. Joining TMO is not defecting to Russia during the cold war. Stop making people feel like shit or betrayers just because they want to play the guild differently than you. Its pathetic.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you claim to have friends in this game(this isnt directed at you radditsu) then be friends anyone who left TMO on good terms has maintained friendships in TMO. Yet some ex BDA members, or ex VD members are getting flamed by their former guildies and friends, both on your boards and in tells, or with harrassment on the 99 forums.
This hyperbolic crap needs to stop. Joining TMO is not defecting to Russia during the cold war. Stop making people feel like shit or betrayers just because they want to play the guild differently than you. Its pathetic.

It all boils down the the psychology of a human being. If someone is in group blue (randomly selected), and people in group red(randomly selected) those people will tend to become entwined with people in the same group. When some people leave each way or vise versa, an emotional response is felt. Its like the ID or something. It leaves a bad taste in folks mouth. If back on live if i felt the sting everytime someone left my guild for Triton, I would be an emotional wreck forever. Most of us just shrug and move on. This also causes bad blood between people because of a guild tag. It runs rampant because its a game and normal social cues do not apply.