Who smokes weed?

[Stickyfingers]

I love weed. Getting high is great.

[L2Phantom]

I'm the coolest guy on this server, I haze 25/7 in the bathtub even. Whickity whickity whack, beat that niggz.

God, I'm so white.

[Tallenn]

Need option for: used to, but don't anymore. I had to give up years ago.

Not out of any sense of morality or whatever. It just was starting to make me nauseous. Which is odd, since a lot of people take it to combat nausea... /shrug.

[ShadowWulf]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its far less man modified than any other hard drug. Cocaine? Heroine? Meth?

Then you must also think that Caffeine, Tobacco, Alcohol, etc. are also drugs?

Is this a joke? Seriously? Do you understand what addiction even is, first off? One thing it helps to understand is that addiction has little to do with the potency of the individual drug in alot of cases and more to do with psychological and mental issues in the individual. Addictive behavior needs not even be drug oriented (as in the case of gambling addiction).

The 7 criteria for addiction are:
1. Tolerance. Has your use of drugs or alcohol increased over time?
2. Withdrawal. When you stop using, have you ever experienced physical or emotional withdrawal? Have you had any of the following symptoms: irritability, anxiety, shakes, sweats, nausea, or vomiting?
3. Difficulty controlling your use. Do you sometimes use more or for a longer time than you would like? Do you sometimes drink to get drunk? Do you stop after a few drink usually, or does one drink lead to more drinks?
4. Negative consequences. Have you continued to use even though there have been negative consequences to your mood, self-esteem, health, job, or family?
5. Neglecting or postponing activities. Have you ever put off or reduced social, recreational, work, or household activities because of your use?
6. Spending significant time or emotional energy. Have you spent a significant amount of time obtaining, using, concealing, planning, or recovering from your use? Have you spend a lot of time thinking about using? Have you ever concealed or minimized your use? Have you ever thought of schemes to avoid getting caught?
7. Desire to cut down. Have you sometimes thought about cutting down or controlling your use? Have you ever made unsuccessful attempts to cut down or control your use?

If you answered yes to at least 3 of these questions, then you meet the medical definition of addiction. This definition is based on the of American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) criteria.

Anything that has clear well known withdraw, tolerance, and overdose symptoms is a drug. In fact, its well known that caffeine is a psychoactive drug with all the addictive criteria but has not been labeled thus in the US due to a desire of the FDA to keep a valuable food additive as unregulated as possible out of profit motivated concerns.
http://www.acnp.org/g4/gn401000165/CH161.html

Alcohol also is a mind altering substance, and a drug in terms of the addictive recovery treatments used to treat it. No psychologist or clinician worth his weight would look at it any other way. In fact several states flat out now say, yes, its a drug.
http://www.ncabc.com/education/middl...oholADrug.aspx


One addictive substance in tobacco is nicotine, a highly addictive, mind altering and behavior altering substance that escaped more rigid controls again because the FDA has seen fit to keep cigarettes from falling under the classification of a "drug", which would in the end require extensive reclassification of them as a product and hurt the governments bottom line: Killing people with money. Smokers pay the overwhelming burden in taxes.

The 1988 Surgeon General's Report, "Nicotine Addiction," concluded that

* Cigarettes and other forms of tobacco are addicting.
* Nicotine is the drug that causes addiction.
* Pharmacologic and behavioral characteristics that determine tobacco addiction are similar to those that determine addiction to drugs such as heroin and cocaine.


Any other questions? In case your wondering im working on a degree in addiction treatments and my state counseling certification, on top of 30 years of hands on observances both in others and myself in regards to every drug you care to name.

Anybody who tries to claim marijuana is not a drug because its natural, is simply stoned stupid.

[mommylover]

Originally Posted by ShadowWulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The 7 criteria for addiction are:
1. Tolerance. Has your use of drugs or alcohol increased over time?
2. Withdrawal. When you stop using, have you ever experienced physical or emotional withdrawal? Have you had any of the following symptoms: irritability, anxiety, shakes, sweats, nausea, or vomiting?
3. Difficulty controlling your use. Do you sometimes use more or for a longer time than you would like? Do you sometimes drink to get drunk? Do you stop after a few drink usually, or does one drink lead to more drinks?
4. Negative consequences. Have you continued to use even though there have been negative consequences to your mood, self-esteem, health, job, or family?
5. Neglecting or postponing activities. Have you ever put off or reduced social, recreational, work, or household activities because of your use?
6. Spending significant time or emotional energy. Have you spent a significant amount of time obtaining, using, concealing, planning, or recovering from your use? Have you spend a lot of time thinking about using? Have you ever concealed or minimized your use? Have you ever thought of schemes to avoid getting caught?
7. Desire to cut down. Have you sometimes thought about cutting down or controlling your use? Have you ever made unsuccessful attempts to cut down or control your use?

That makes pretty much everything in life an addiction. Even such simple things as loving and caring. Luckily we don't have to go around shooting and stabbing people to get some love.

Heck just writing a post here makes you an forum addict.

Life itself is a drug, so is marijuana. How we deal with it is another story.

[Kainzo]

People who smoke pot at concerts smell bad. Period.

[President]

Originally Posted by ShadowWulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this a joke? Seriously? Do you understand what addiction even is, first off? One thing it helps to understand is that addiction has little to do with the potency of the individual drug in alot of cases and more to do with psychological and mental issues in the individual. Addictive behavior needs not even be drug oriented (as in the case of gambling addiction).

The 7 criteria for addiction are:
1. Tolerance. Has your use of drugs or alcohol increased over time?
2. Withdrawal. When you stop using, have you ever experienced physical or emotional withdrawal? Have you had any of the following symptoms: irritability, anxiety, shakes, sweats, nausea, or vomiting?
3. Difficulty controlling your use. Do you sometimes use more or for a longer time than you would like? Do you sometimes drink to get drunk? Do you stop after a few drink usually, or does one drink lead to more drinks?
4. Negative consequences. Have you continued to use even though there have been negative consequences to your mood, self-esteem, health, job, or family?
5. Neglecting or postponing activities. Have you ever put off or reduced social, recreational, work, or household activities because of your use?
6. Spending significant time or emotional energy. Have you spent a significant amount of time obtaining, using, concealing, planning, or recovering from your use? Have you spend a lot of time thinking about using? Have you ever concealed or minimized your use? Have you ever thought of schemes to avoid getting caught?
7. Desire to cut down. Have you sometimes thought about cutting down or controlling your use? Have you ever made unsuccessful attempts to cut down or control your use?

If you answered yes to at least 3 of these questions, then you meet the medical definition of addiction. This definition is based on the of American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) criteria.

Anything that has clear well known withdraw, tolerance, and overdose symptoms is a drug. In fact, its well known that caffeine is a psychoactive drug with all the addictive criteria but has not been labeled thus in the US due to a desire of the FDA to keep a valuable food additive as unregulated as possible out of profit motivated concerns.
http://www.acnp.org/g4/gn401000165/CH161.html

Alcohol also is a mind altering substance, and a drug in terms of the addictive recovery treatments used to treat it. No psychologist or clinician worth his weight would look at it any other way. In fact several states flat out now say, yes, its a drug.
http://www.ncabc.com/education/middl...oholADrug.aspx


One addictive substance in tobacco is nicotine, a highly addictive, mind altering and behavior altering substance that escaped more rigid controls again because the FDA has seen fit to keep cigarettes from falling under the classification of a "drug", which would in the end require extensive reclassification of them as a product and hurt the governments bottom line: Killing people with money. Smokers pay the overwhelming burden in taxes.

The 1988 Surgeon General's Report, "Nicotine Addiction," concluded that

* Cigarettes and other forms of tobacco are addicting.
* Nicotine is the drug that causes addiction.
* Pharmacologic and behavioral characteristics that determine tobacco addiction are similar to those that determine addiction to drugs such as heroin and cocaine.


Any other questions? In case your wondering im working on a degree in addiction treatments and my state counseling certification, on top of 30 years of hands on observances both in others and myself in regards to every drug you care to name.

Anybody who tries to claim marijuana is not a drug because its natural, is simply stoned stupid.

Wow, I am really glad you wasted so much time going off on a tangent about addiction. I was not the one who said "Marijuana is not a drug, its a plant," which really has nothing to do with your retarded rant on addiction. Though I do think that it can be smoked for pleasure without going through any chemical process like other hard drugs should say something about it, just like tobacco. Anyone who thinks that marijuana should be in the same classification as cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. which you apparently do, is simply fucking retarded.

And, as another person stated, your list basically makes everything that is done an addiction. Everquest is now an addiction according to your list.

Anyone who thinks Marijuana is "addictive" is simply retarded. Habit forming, yes, but that can be said about ANYTHING that provides relaxation, entertainment, etc. Are you going to start counseling people who watch TV all the time because they are HORRIBLY ADDICTED?!?!?!

Sounds like your wasting your $ on a poor education.

[Shannacore]

president wins !

[ShadowWulf]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who thinks that marijuana should be in the same classification as cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. which you apparently do, is simply fucking retarded.

And, as another person stated, your list basically makes everything that is done an addiction. Everquest is now an addiction according to your list.

Anyone who thinks Marijuana is "addictive" is simply retarded. Habit forming, yes, but that can be said about ANYTHING that provides relaxation, entertainment, etc. Are you going to start counseling people who watch TV all the time because they are HORRIBLY ADDICTED?!?!?!

Sounds like your wasting your $ on a poor education.

Not obnly do you fail to understand what addiction IS, but you managed to take a complicated argument and simplify it down to "Nuh uh! Why? Cuz i said so!"

I never said weed, inherently, is addictive.
I never even said it should be treated like crack.
Everquest and other MMO's CAN be an addiction, and a previous thread here shows that. So can many other things.
Your argument is similar to arguing against car crashes being fatal because the last one you were in wasn't, so the rest must be fake.
As for the "Addiction tangent" as you put it was intended as a reflection on other drugs more so than weed. Which, if you had read the post (which you could not of, hence everything you posted above) had nothing to do with weed but rather with the argument that other substances listed in the thread were not drugs either, and about the argument of weed being or not being a drug.
You show such a limited narrow understanding of the issue trying to educate you on it is frankly a waste of time I feel.

If your life has been shattered forgive me, but it takes someone seriously upset and confused, to get so angry over such a textbook, founded, subject like you have. But at least i posted links, verified references, and the "waste of education" on addiction your awfully ill informed was straight from (ill post it again, because you didn't read the last post) American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) textbooks. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[President]

Originally Posted by ShadowWulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not obnly do you fail to understand what addiction IS, but you managed to take a complicated argument and simplify it down to "Nuh uh! Why? Cuz i said so!"

I know what addiction is.

I never said weed, inherently, is addictive.
I never even said it should be treated like crack.

Then what the fuck is your argument here?

Everquest and other MMO's CAN be an addiction, and a previous thread here shows that. So can many other things.
Your argument is similar to arguing against car crashes being fatal because the last one you were in wasn't, so the rest must be fake.

Pointless addition.

As for the "Addiction tangent" as you put it was intended as a reflection on other drugs more so than weed. Which, if you had read the post (which you could not of, hence everything you posted above) had nothing to do with weed but rather with the argument that other substances listed in the thread were not drugs either, and about the argument of weed being or not being a drug.

This whole discussion is about weed. Why the fuck are you going off on random tangents without putting any personal explanation in there? Seriously its like fucking Good Will Hunter over here when he gets on that dudes ass for regurgitating his text book without any thought of his own.

You show such a limited narrow understanding of the issue trying to educate you on it is frankly a waste of time I feel.

*Yawn*

If your life has been shattered forgive me, but it takes someone seriously upset and confused, to get so angry over such a textbook, founded, subject like you have. But at least i posted links, verified references, and the "waste of education" on addiction your awfully ill informed was straight from (ill post it again, because you didn't read the last post) American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) textbooks. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bahahhaha... Look at your posts and you call me upset, confused, and angry? Laughable. Try getting some links and references that are relevant to the discussion not just post a bunch of babble about what addiction is and maybe it will matter.


Seriously, you took this:

Its far less man modified than any other hard drug. Cocaine? Heroine? Meth?

Then you must also think that Caffeine, Tobacco, Alcohol, etc. are also drugs?

And answered with this:

Is this a joke? Seriously? Do you understand what addiction even is, first off? One thing it helps to understand is that addiction has little to do with the potency of the individual drug in alot of cases and more to do with psychological and mental issues in the individual. Addictive behavior needs not even be drug oriented (as in the case of gambling addiction).

The 7 criteria for addiction are:
1. Tolerance. Has your use of drugs or alcohol increased over time?
2. Withdrawal. When you stop using, have you ever experienced physical or emotional withdrawal? Have you had any of the following symptoms: irritability, anxiety, shakes, sweats, nausea, or vomiting?
3. Difficulty controlling your use. Do you sometimes use more or for a longer time than you would like? Do you sometimes drink to get drunk? Do you stop after a few drink usually, or does one drink lead to more drinks?
4. Negative consequences. Have you continued to use even though there have been negative consequences to your mood, self-esteem, health, job, or family?
5. Neglecting or postponing activities. Have you ever put off or reduced social, recreational, work, or household activities because of your use?
6. Spending significant time or emotional energy. Have you spent a significant amount of time obtaining, using, concealing, planning, or recovering from your use? Have you spend a lot of time thinking about using? Have you ever concealed or minimized your use? Have you ever thought of schemes to avoid getting caught?
7. Desire to cut down. Have you sometimes thought about cutting down or controlling your use? Have you ever made unsuccessful attempts to cut down or control your use?

If you answered yes to at least 3 of these questions, then you meet the medical definition of addiction. This definition is based on the of American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) criteria.

Anything that has clear well known withdraw, tolerance, and overdose symptoms is a drug. In fact, its well known that caffeine is a psychoactive drug with all the addictive criteria but has not been labeled thus in the US due to a desire of the FDA to keep a valuable food additive as unregulated as possible out of profit motivated concerns.
http://www.acnp.org/g4/gn401000165/CH161.html

Alcohol also is a mind altering substance, and a drug in terms of the addictive recovery treatments used to treat it. No psychologist or clinician worth his weight would look at it any other way. In fact several states flat out now say, yes, its a drug.
http://www.ncabc.com/education/middl...oholADrug.aspx


One addictive substance in tobacco is nicotine, a highly addictive, mind altering and behavior altering substance that escaped more rigid controls again because the FDA has seen fit to keep cigarettes from falling under the classification of a "drug", which would in the end require extensive reclassification of them as a product and hurt the governments bottom line: Killing people with money. Smokers pay the overwhelming burden in taxes.

The 1988 Surgeon General's Report, "Nicotine Addiction," concluded that

* Cigarettes and other forms of tobacco are addicting.
* Nicotine is the drug that causes addiction.
* Pharmacologic and behavioral characteristics that determine tobacco addiction are similar to those that determine addiction to drugs such as heroin and cocaine.


Any other questions? In case your wondering im working on a degree in addiction treatments and my state counseling certification, on top of 30 years of hands on observances both in others and myself in regards to every drug you care to name.

Anybody who tries to claim marijuana is not a drug because its natural, is simply stoned stupid.

What has been your point posting at all in this thread? You screamed WEED IS A DRUG!!! ADDICTION ! RAWR! It's becoming pretty obvious that you just want to spout a bunch of shit you are learning in class to make yourself look like a bad ass and not put any personal thought into it. There is a lot more than drug addiction that factors in on drug classification.

The obvious point everyone here is trying to make when they say "weed is not a drug" is that is should not be labeled as a drug in the same way that harder drugs are which is the status quo. Nobody walks around and calls tobacco a drug which really is the closest thing out there to weed. Obviously you wouldn't classify caffeine the same way you would classify crack even though under your handy little checklist they would both be considered addictive.

But go ahead, keep copying and pasting stuff on over thinking you are a bad ass.