Two-Boxing

[Hitchens]

If you want to box, why join a server that specifically does not allow it?

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by redgiant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think those are normal traits for EQ to have, then you should play on live (or Fippy to pretend to play classic) - those are the antithesis of why p99 was made and who mainly plays it.

Actually, I did fippy for a couple of months, but the raid guilds there make the ones on P99 look like saints. That and every mob over level 50 is perma-camped. It was fun leveling up, but the servers were way too crowded in the beginning. Maybe its better now, but I've found a new server to explore that does allow boxing, and having a blast. Bonus is its F2P.

[Daldaen]

Still awaiting my approval to 4 box a 60 Shaman, Druid, Cleric and Enchanter who can't leave EC and are permarooted in tunnel so that I may buff noobs.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Hitchens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to box, why join a server that specifically does not allow it?

I'm going to post this because I've seen this question (the one quoted above) so many times and it's so easy to answer it. People want to box on here specifically because it's a classic server. People like classic, they don't like the other servers where it's encouraged because those servers aren't classic, they have more xpacks than classic which ruined the game.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to post this because I've seen this question (the one quoted above) so many times and it's so easy to answer it. People want to box on here specifically because it's a classic server. People like classic, they don't like the other servers where it's encouraged because those servers aren't classic, they have more xpacks than classic which ruined the game.

You should leave opinions out of any argument you intend to be taken seriously. Whether or not any given expac ruined the game is an opinion. Whether or not boxing itself ruined the game is also an opinion. However, that being said, you are still right. There is not a second version of P99, or any other server, that is Classic and also permits boxing. If you want Classic you have to come here. But you can't box here. People play here, obviously, because they want Classic EQ. I have never heard anyone say "Yeah let's go to Project 1999 so we can finally get level 95 and play Veil of Alaris content!". However, there is no boxing-friendly Classic EQ alternative. So anyone who wants Classic is stuck making the decision of which they want more, Classic EQ or the ability to box. Just like anyone that wants modern/closer to modern EQ has to make the polar opposite decision of what they want more, modern EQ or a server that prohibits boxing, since there is no modern EQ server that also prohibits boxing.

In the end, the staff of any given server, be it Sony, Rogean, Cavedude etc, has the final say in what they want on their server and boxing is included in that. Since you shouldn't expect them to make a second server, one for boxing and one without it, just to satiate your needs (It'd be pointless anyway, most of the players would play the boxing enabled server just for convenience-sake whether they box themselves or not.) you're left to make the decision of what you want more. Classic EQ? Or the ability to box 2+ characters? People should thoroughly think that over before starting to play on P99, because the server's rules aren't going to change just for you.

[Sephiroth781]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether or not any given expac ruined the game is an opinion.

FACT: Omens of War Destroyed EQ

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether or not boxing itself ruined the game is also an opinion.

There seems to be a lot of people who share this supposed opinion. Not disputing it though, just wanted to point that out.

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So anyone who wants Classic is stuck making the decision of which they want more, Classic EQ or the ability to box.

Because of this server rule my wife and I can't play together. Life has intervened for those responsible for approving IP Exemptions. If they can't approve IP Exemptions due to lack of time or ability to do so, why even offer it as an option? I would have saved myself the trouble a while ago and not even came here. Admittedly I don't have all of the information, but if this is a recurring theme, then one has to question why.

Let's get something straight though, I don't fault the mods, developers or project managers for this. They shouldn't be forced to police the server of boxers if they don't have the time for it. If that's the case though, then end all IP exemptions, stop offering them and let everyone who gets stepped on for this stance go -EXPLICATIVE DELETED- themselves.

But if the mods still want to have that option for the legit people, they need to work something else out. Get more volunteers to help with the process or something. That's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just like anyone that wants modern/closer to modern EQ has to make the polar opposite decision of what they want more, modern EQ or a server that prohibits boxing.

Modern servers and servers that prohibit boxing are NOT polar opposites. I've been on live long enough to know that close to everyone boxes or has the ability to box. For some, mercs are too much of an XP drain. What do they do if the party gets big? Drop the box. And a few people here said they'd do the same thing. So based on that, here is my question...

What is the real reason they don't allow boxing? Why do the people who legitimately have 2 or more players behind their router have to suffer?

GIS Result for Multiboxing

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth781 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they can't approve IP Exemptions due to lack of time or ability to do so, why even offer it as an option? I would have saved myself the trouble a while ago and not even came here.

Damn bro. Some real life services take longer than this. There was a down time of ip exemptions in lieu of other things. They are being worked on.

Let's get something straight though, I don't fault the mods, developers or project managers for this. They shouldn't be forced to police the server of boxers if they don't have the time for it. If that's the case though, then end all IP exemptions, stop offering them and let everyone who gets stepped on for this stance go -EXPLICATIVE DELETED- themselves.

System has worked and been massively approved of for going on 3 years. There was down time; that doesn't mean stop offering an optional service which helps people. It sounds to me like you are saying, if it's not working for me, it shouldn't work for anyone. Give us some credit.

But if the mods still want to have that option for the legit people, they need to work something else out. Get more volunteers to help with the process or something. That's all I'm saying.

Earlier today, I posted:

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IP exemptions are being completed. There are plans in the works to alleviate this issue for the future.

Amelinda currently does the exemptions. Long ago, I did them, and let me tell you... it is time-consuming. Rogean created an alternate in-game command which helps speed this along.

Anyways, IP exemptions do exist and I am in the process of decreasing the wait time.

[Sephiroth781]

Guess I missed it. And that wasn't what I was saying at all. If you guys are handling the situation, cool... I'm content to wait a bit longer. Sorry if it sounds like I'm badgering you guys, I really don't mean to.

[snow_man]

For those complaining about boxing... and talking about the only way to level a melee is by hand outs, imagine if everyone could box, and how much less handouts would be. If you can't picture it, or want to speculate how it would go, let me save you the trouble. I came here from Shards of Dalaya (sorry don't mean to advertise for another game, but this really isn't advertisment anyway.) It's another emulated server that was started by Wiz (you'll see his name all over the eqemu forums). He no longer runs that server, as he is working on a legit-to-market type game now. Anyway, away from my tangeant and to the point. I left that server for 2 reasons, corrupt GM's (and for those that bitch that GM's aren't fair here, you guys have no idea how bad it can get...) and because of boxing. Every top tier player has one of EVERY class, as well as multiple of other's. Generally bots in most cities so they can buff. There are never hand outs because the endless supply of gear is funneled to their alt, any upgraded hand me down gear from that alt goes to one of their other alts.

This may not sound so bad, ok so no hand me down gear. Now imagine having 2 of everyone of the super campers camped around the nice spawns of the server. Imagine not ever seeing Fungi or whatever item your after, because the same group of guys have been hogging the same spawn for the past month trying to get that prize item for their 12+ alts. Imagine TMO (I only use them because they are the ones that are quick to snipe kills) camping out ALL planes, becuase each of their members needs to gear every alt they have, because when you can run 2 characters, you never know which two will be needed for the next big kill, so you have to go through each plane multiple times. Great, so now you can box and you can have a shaman that can heal your warrior up to level 50. What do you do when you get to 50 since everyone that was normally LFG now has a nice boxed combo taking up Karnor's, Seb, HS, and just about every other zone. This doesn't come from an, "I think this will happen" point of view. This comes from an, "I've been on a server where this DOES happen, because it was allowed" point of view.

On a side note, as much as I am NOT in favor of boxing 90% of the time, I think server numbers generate larger server numbers. I think there should be some type of coding that basically says, if numbers are less than other servers, X ammount of boxes (the difference between this server and the server with the highest number) are allowed on. As non-boxes log on, the first box set logged on, has a character logged off at random. I know people would complain that, what if im in the middle of a fight, I might die? That would just be a risk people would have to take if they wanted to box. It would basically a fake hyper inflation of numbers, and helps the dead hours of the server to maintain numbers.

I realize this would be a nightmare to code, just a random dream/thought of mine =) (Before I get trolled for this, I know horrible idea, but hey random idea's can sometimes get spurred into better idea's =p)

[Dannermax]

Thumps up for an informative post snowman..i believe aswell that Two boxing will unfortunately kill some of the group dynamics in the game..it's human nature to choose to solo rather than group if its the easiest alternative!!