Level 20 Rogue with Epic

[somnia]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well ill just take a seat and pipe down then~

Confirmed Idiot but we already knew this.

[webrunner5]

I played a Cleric for years on live on Torvo. I can tell you there are all kinds of people that THINK they can tank as a Ranger, Bard, Rogue, even a Monk, but in the end they are a horror show to heal compared to a real Warrior, SK, or Paladin trust me. The problem with a Monk is you usually have them pull , and Tank at times. They come back low on HP from the pull and if you heal them the mob agros the hell out of the healer. And you never know when the Monk has Mend up, or when he will use it or not. So you just waste a CH on them or burn up mana too fast for lesser heals. You can time a CH for a Ugly Ogre Warrior pretty well when you get used to it.

Don't get me wrong if all you got is a Rogue for a Tank that is what you have lol. Its either that or go solo on your Druid. But I knew I was in for a hell of of hard night healing them. But it is not too often you get the Holy Trinity in a group. Warrior, Cleric, Enchanter, and add a good monk as a puller.

[Motec]

Oly had a level 1 hand in epic in the first week or two of epics. Dinged level 7

[webrunner5]

Yeah, I have heard you ding level 7 at the hand in also.

[kilmoll]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played a Cleric for years on live on Torvo. I can tell you there are all kinds of people that THINK they can tank as a Ranger, Bard, Rogue, even a Monk, but in the end they are a horror show to heal compared to a real Warrior, SK, or Paladin trust me. The problem with a Monk is you usually have them pull , and Tank at times. They come back low on HP from the pull and if you heal them the mob agros the hell out of the healer. And you never know when the Monk has Mend up, or when he will use it or not. So you just waste a CH on them or burn up mana too fast for lesser heals. You can time a CH for a Ugly Ogre Warrior pretty well when you get used to it.

Don't get me wrong if all you got is a Rogue for a Tank that is what you have lol. Its either that or go solo on your Druid. But I knew I was in for a hell of of hard night healing them. But it is not too often you get the Holy Trinity in a group. Warrior, Cleric, Enchanter, and add a good monk as a puller.

Pretty broad statement there sir. On live I was routinely off-tanking drakes in N ToV as a rogue and using my own 2 boxed cleric to heal. You may not want to be main tanking on dragons and gods, but you can do it for short bursts as a raid saver with evasive disciplines.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah im a little iffy on wether this mq shoudl work for sub 50s, but I cant find strong evidence to disprove it(not that I have really tried). The only barrier on this server is that you cannot get stanos to spawn unless you are level 50 and you cannot steal the notes unless you are high enough and obv need to be 46 to get into PoH. Obviously MQ should work, but if it should work for sub 50s I have no idea.

Devs/Coding didn't get the means to restrict quest completion based on level (or class/race for that matter) until Luclin.


The only thing Classic-Velious quests check on when going through quest dialogues / quest turnins is your faction level. Nothing else.


And no, none of this shit went back and got fixed later on in EQ either. You can do every epic quest (excluding Beastlord/Berserker which got coded later obviously) that has its planar component MQable at level 1 currently on Live.

[username17]

All I have to say is if you're twinking a rogue with Ragebringer, also grab a fungi.

Because there's no way any lowbie tank will be able to keep aggro.

[erog84]

Originally Posted by kilmoll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty broad statement there sir. On live I was routinely off-tanking drakes in N ToV as a rogue and using my own 2 boxed cleric to heal. You may not want to be main tanking on dragons and gods, but you can do it for short bursts as a raid saver with evasive disciplines.

So you're saying that your rogue is able to tank a mob with a pocket cleric using his evasive disciplines for short bursts? I don't believe that was the original topic of discussion. Could your rogue tank for extended periods of time using the same approximate amount of mana from the cleric? I doubt it, in fact I know you couldn't, there is a reason groups don't look for rogues to tank. Now if you are lvl 10, and you have a twinked rogue with a Fungi compared to a 10 paladin in leather, the choice is obviously a rogue. But the fact remains that a rogue cannot tank as well as a war/pal/sk.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by username17 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I have to say is if you're twinking a rogue with Ragebringer, also grab a fungi.

Because there's no way any lowbie tank will be able to keep aggro.

Yeah, what he said lol.

[kilmoll]

At higher levels it is flat out a matter of gearing. My rogue could tank better than just about any non-end game equipped tank on the server. Agility plus some decent AC and a LOT of HP plus ridiculous amounts of hate generated makes for a very effective tank.

I merely was talking about using disciplines on big boy mobs that would 1 shot most people. There are many situations where a monk or rogue can be just as effective as a real tank....because they simply do not get hit as often.

Your statement was

I can tell you there are all kinds of people that THINK they can tank as a Ranger, Bard, Rogue, even a Monk, but in the end they are a horror show to heal compared to a real Warrior, SK, or Paladin trust me.

and I am just telling you that is not true. On a raid mob, it is probably a good idea (although the first ever kill of a dragon in EQ...before Nagy was buffed up....was tanked by a rogue).