Obvious RMT is Obvious

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is away to prove if he rmt'd send the information to server devs, if he gets banned, Blamo!

That's not proof at all. Uthgaard has posted LOGS proving Richgirl RMT'ed -- he gave you your incontrovertible evidence -- and Richgirl wasn't banned for months. His forum account still isn't banned; he's selling a fucking pre-nerf fungi, for Christ's sake. That might be the single easiest item in the game to track. For better or worse, it has been made extraordinarily clear that combating RMT is not a priority of this staff.

Conversely, I know of multiple people that have been accidentally or mistakenly banned and had those bans revoked. Being suspended/banned is proof of nothing other than the fact that your account was suspended/banned -- it doesn't prove innocence or guilt.

[Mantel]

Alarti confirmed crying that his brews got cought.

[Pico]

thread and all its contributors are deserving of serious psychological study

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it's not, because there is no such thing as "substantial evidence". I don't understand why this is difficult for you. Everyone here understands that the only incontrovertible evidence is in the logs -- and only GMs can access the logs. Therefore, incontrovertible evidence is an impossibility -- and impossibilities are irrelevant. With that in mind, asking a non-GM for "substantial evidence" is a) mouth-gapingly stupid, and b) a clear red herring. You're drawing attention away from the accusation and the circumstantial evidence by demanding an impossibility.

Plenty of ways to establish substantial evidence. Screenshots usually work best. Not screenshots of logs or email by the way. But I noticed alot of people are trying to do trades via text or AIM. Yes screenshots can be edited but its very unlikely that someone with skill enough to edit them past peer review exists here.
Editable logs and emails will always be suspect.

The real debate is that if you have information about RMTing you should go to the GM's who have infinitely more tools to find out about the truth of your claims. Coming here and flaming without evidence is the real red herring. Accusations and claims without proof are irrelvant.

Sorry if you got confused by your "belief" daldoma

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not proof at all. Uthgaard has posted LOGS proving Richgirl RMT'ed -- he gave you your incontrovertible evidence -- and Richgirl wasn't banned for months. His forum account still isn't banned; he's selling a fucking pre-nerf fungi, for Christ's sake. That might be the single easiest item in the game to track. For better or worse, it has been made extraordinarily clear that combating RMT is not a priority of this staff.

Conversely, I know of multiple people that have been accidentally or mistakenly banned and had those bans revoked. Being suspended/banned is proof of nothing other than the fact that your account was suspended/banned -- it doesn't prove innocence or guilt.

Being perma banned does.....Uthgaard once though I was running a RMT operation or something it took about 2 days but i gave him all my ip information to play with and it was proven that I was innocent. The people who stay banned are the guilty ones.

[Sodapop]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

though I was running a RMT operation.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plenty of ways to establish substantial evidence. Screenshots usually work best. Not screenshots of logs or email by the way. But I noticed alot of people are trying to do trades via text or AIM. Yes screenshots can be edited but its very unlikely that someone with skill enough to edit them past peer review exists here.
Editable logs and emails will always be suspect.

The real debate is that if you have information about RMTing you should go to the GM's who have infinitely more tools to find out about the truth of your claims. Coming here and flaming without evidence is the real red herring. Accusations and claims without proof are irrelvant.

Sorry if you got confused by your "belief" daldoma

Lol. So wait a minute. People do trades via text or AIM (or e-mail). AIM and e-mail are text-based formats that can be edited extremely easily. Hence, AIM and e-mail are "suspect". Yeah, you're right -- you're sure paving the way for substantial evidence. What do you want screenshots of? In-game chat? Nobody organizes RMT in-game. There's a whole fucking website devoted to matching buyers with sellers via AIM, e-mail, and PMs on their third party site.

And once again, the GMs don't give a shit about RMT and it's obvious this poster doesn't care enough to actually get Daliant in trouble. He didn't even want to name his in-game character. You just kept egging him on until he provided more than enough evidence for the GMs to look into Daliant -- if they cared, which they likely don't.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being perma banned does.....Uthgaard once though I was running a RMT operation or something it took about 2 days but i gave him all my ip information to play with and it was proven that I was innocent. The people who stay banned are the guilty ones.

Or in other words, if you hadn't cared enough to give him all your IP information, you would've remained banned. In which case, you must've been running an RMT operation!

It's a silly argument. Plenty of people break the rules and escape punishment. Literally hundreds were cheating and escaping punishment for months before the ShowEQ/MQ bust. You're a perfect example of someone that apparently wasn't cheating and got suspended anyway. Just because someone hasn't been punished doesn't mean they're innocent, and just because someone has been punished doesn't mean they were guilty.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. So wait a minute. People do trades via text or AIM (or e-mail). AIM and e-mail are text-based formats that can be edited extremely easily. Hence, AIM and e-mail are "suspect". Yeah, you're right -- you're sure paving the way for substantial evidence. What do you want screenshots of? In-game chat? Nobody organizes RMT in-game. There's a whole fucking website devoted to matching buyers with sellers via AIM, e-mail, and PMs on their third party site.

And once again, the GMs don't give a shit about RMT and it's obvious this poster doesn't care enough to actually get Daliant in trouble. He didn't even want to name his in-game character. You just kept egging him on until he provided more than enough evidence for the GMs to look into Daliant -- if they cared, which they likely don't.

They have to be edited externally

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Alarti confirmed mad.

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