Game Mechanics: Mellee miss rate seems excessively high.

[President]

*sigh* It's really not worth talking to you anymore.

[Morndenkainen]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*sigh* It's really not worth talking to you anymore.

Well, since you dont have anything constructive to offer, I suppose not.

[President]

Originally Posted by Morndenkainen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, since you dont have anything constructive to offer, I suppose not.

Dev's are looking at this board all the time. Do you know why they haven't responded to this one? Because you are not giving ANY evidence that it was difference from Live. Only whining about the miss rate.

Enjoy beating your head against the wall longer.

[Morndenkainen]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dev's are looking at this board all the time. Do you know why they haven't responded to this one? Because you are not giving ANY evidence that it was difference from Live. Only whining about the miss rate.

Enjoy beating your head against the wall longer.

Yeah, well I havent seen anything from you supporting anything you've laid claim to.. The pictures you posted of your fight, actually supported my argument that showed the miss rate was tied TOO directly to skills rather than the actual level of the mob or the defense rate of the mob.

As far as why they havent responded, thats for them to know. Not you.

[km2783]

I had a thought. You guys know this was based on Dungeons and Dragons, right?

Low level characters were very pathetic in that game. You missed a LOT. On a 20 sided die you often had a 25% chance to hit something, depending on what it's defense was. A damned wizard could get one-shot-chumped by a FUCKING HOUSE CAT. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the devs were used to this sort of play, and obviously they certainly didn't mind things taking a long time to level (surely both for reward and their own pockets vis subscriptions), then it even makes a good bit of sense for melee characters to suck hind tit for awhile. Eventually your skills get to the point where you almost never miss, but NPCs have so many HP that it more than compensates.

[President]

Originally Posted by Morndenkainen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, well I havent seen anything from you supporting anything you've laid claim to..

This is an invalid argument. The way it is currently in the game is the way its going to stay until YOU PROVE otherwise. I have no need to prove that it was this way because this is already HOW IT IS.

The pictures you posted of your fight, actually supported my argument that showed the miss rate was tied TOO directly to skills rather than the actual level of the mob or the defense rate of the mob.

As far as why they havent responded, thats for them to know. Not you.

Hows your head doing against that wall?

[Morndenkainen]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is an invalid argument. The way it is currently in the game is the way its going to stay until YOU PROVE otherwise. I have no need to prove that it was this way because this is already HOW IT IS.

No, its perfectly valid, because several others remember things differently as well. Yes, its how it is, however, that is not to say that is how it should be.

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hows your head doing against that wall?

Better than yours apparently, you still havent even tried to come up with anything other than empty responses yet.

[President]

Originally Posted by Morndenkainen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, its perfectly valid, because several others remember things differently as well. Yes, its how it is, however, that is not to say that is how it should be.

Nope.

Better than yours apparently, you still havent even tried to come up with anything other than empty responses yet.

Sure have. I've told you what you need to do to get dev's attention and you have yet to do that. I have also posted screen shots. You claimed a level 50 would have misses against a level 1 skeleton, but I did not miss at all fighting 3 different low level mobs and around 150 hits. Aside from you and 1 other person who was crying just as hardcore as you, other people have said "they might be off." Multiple people have stated "they are not off."

Wall > your head.

[Desert]

Originally Posted by Morndenkainen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, with people like you telling me im wrong, without explaining the how or why, im not too keen to listen. 2+2=4 is a fact, not an assumption. In order for my assumption to be wrong, there's got to be a variable in place that shouldnt be where it is.. If you've got a formula or explanation from a legitimate source, other than your memory, that shows how what you are saying is right, PLEASE SHARE IT! Apparenlty my memory serves well enough to notice the problem though, because for every person you think has said im wrong, another is saying im right. At anyrate, if you arent going to debate this intelligently or offer an actual reason why im wrong, other than what you "remember" you shouldnt expect anyone to take you seriously. Seeing as you have no respect for anyone elses memory that doesnt support your own, you shouldnt be trying to use yours as a factual basis for anything either. If you dont think mine is right, then the same argument applies to you. Meanwhile, please crunch some numbers, and support your arugments with fact rather than fiction.

*sigh* you've obviously been playing World of Warcraft too long, because their combat system works similarly to what you're describing. Mobs in that game do scale better in all aspects to the level of the character. Newsflash tho... This != WoW

My memory is damn good, and I remember my newbie skills being terrible. Hey, guess what people who twinked used to bitch about all the time back in the day? Surely not how bad their newbie skills suck.

Put it this way, if your skill is not above 100, Count on it Failing or Missing a Lot, and get on with your life. Or Quit, there's always that option?

[Morndenkainen]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope.

Sure have. I've told you what you need to do to get dev's attention and you have yet to do that. I have also posted screen shots. You claimed a level 50 would have misses against a level 1 skeleton, but I did not miss at all fighting 3 different low level mobs and around 150 hits. Aside from you and 1 other person who was crying just as hardcore as you, other people have said "they might be off." Multiple people have stated "they are not off."

Wall > your head.

I dont recall crying about it, I remember bringing up what I feel is a legitimate problem, and then being whined at by an 31337357 prick who has no working memory of anything except high end content. As soon as I finish the time travel device im building I'll be sure to go back in time, and get some actual pictures from back then detailing the hit/miss ration.. Yeah... Other than that. the only thing the devs really have to go off of is how the players feel, and what they remember.

Also, i believe that I said, was that the level 1 skelly should have about 5000 hps, and you shouldnt be using any other skills that you wouldnt normally have at level one... Just your offense and weapons skill at 255, with armor and a weapon that you could also have at level 1... Also, you clearly missed the point of everything I was trying to say with the example. Although perhaps giving the skelly a 5% miss rate and a 5% hit rate was a little generous... At anyrate, you've proven once again, you missed the point and dont really understand what your talking about.