Idea to stop all the fighting

Metallikus · #1 03-13-2012, 12:29 PM

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14667

"Q: What if our raid is disrupted? What if our raid interferes with another raid?
A: Any non-consensual disturbance or meddling from a raid which leads to another raid being disrupted will result in very harsh punishments. Anyone involved in disruptions will be banned for 1 week with possible action against their guild's leadership. Second offenses will be 2 weeks. Further offenses will be permanent. It is the responsibility of the raid leaders to control their members. We strongly suggest that you avoid other raids while in a zone."

The plain and simple fact is your raid was disrupted non-consensually by TMO when they trained 30 mobs thru your camp in order to get FTE on Inny.

TMO has gotten away with so many raid disruptions that it is now standard operating procedure.

Autotune · #2 03-13-2012, 12:32 PM

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http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14667

"Q: What if our raid is disrupted? What if our raid interferes with another raid?
A: Any non-consensual disturbance or meddling from a raid which leads to another raid being disrupted will result in very harsh punishments. Anyone involved in disruptions will be banned for 1 week with possible action against their guild's leadership. Second offenses will be 2 weeks. Further offenses will be permanent. It is the responsibility of the raid leaders to control their members. We strongly suggest that you avoid other raids while in a zone."

The plain and simple fact is your raid was disrupted non-consensually by TMO when they trained 30 mobs thru your camp in order to get FTE on Inny.

TMO has gotten away with so many raid disruptions that it is now standard operating procedure.

Aye, it's now standard practice to just run in the way and die to things instead of preserving ones own health.

Instead of moving when you've been beaten, you should run and get in the way and become collateral damage. +10 points if you get fraps of it and another 100+ dkp if you can manage to get the opposing guild raid suspended with it.

Metallikus · #3 03-13-2012, 12:38 PM

Why would you steamroll over BDA and wipe them for Inny when you are already getting self proclaimed two trakanons, two VSs, 12 VP dragons, CT, ect this day? Selfish clowns with nothing better to do than grief a guild that is competing fairly for a god kill?

Autotune · #4 03-13-2012, 12:41 PM

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Why would you steamroll over BDA and wipe them for Inny when you are already getting self proclaimed two trakanons, two VSs, 12 VP dragons, CT, ect this day? Selfish clowns with nothing better to do than grief a guild that is competing fairly for a god kill?

We only pulled it because we thought VD was. There is your answer.

Metallikus · #5 03-13-2012, 12:45 PM

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We only pulled it because we thought VD was. There is your answer.

your guild wasn't in position

you panicked because you thought VD was going to pull, so you tagged it and trained BDA with everything in the room?

Autotune · #6 03-13-2012, 12:55 PM

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your guild wasn't in position

you panicked because you thought VD was going to pull, so you tagged it and trained BDA with everything in the room?

we were in position. We were set up just outside of Church away from BDA.

Bda was at the very bottom of the ramp.

VD was at the entrance.

VD rogue Kitai set off a DT, Inny was unaggrod, so we pulled it towards our camp. At the top of the ramp, we had people in tmo to tag Inny when he was otw down so he didn't just DT zeelot and become free. At the bottom of the ramp, BDA/TMO people tagged inny again. Zeelot gets DT'd and multiple people gain aggro on multiple mobs.

If bda hadn't engaged inny, the mobs would have all come toward church to our camp. Because they engaged, we had to try and kill/cc the mobs over them. Even when our enchanters mezzed, some still got broken due to pets/other nonsense.

Even after inny was dead, a bda monk still decided to keep standing with his aggro and training people as they logged back in. His people and TMOs.

I suppose we should petition him tho, I mean, that is the VD way amirite? Petition anything that looks to be damning on camera, even if it's not technically in that monks power to know when people are and are not logging in, he should be held responsible for his trains.

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You could have engaged at the top of the ramp, or in his room, yet you chose the bottom of the ramp where two other guilds were sitting. All 3 guilds were competing for same mob yet you decided to make camp on top of everyone.

If I'm sitting at a table with Sanluen, coldblooded, and Starie (it's a double date!) and you walk up with Jeremy and say "hey we're bringing a group to sit here, you should move" how is that kosher?

Right now the status quo is train the world, get FTE with pets and eyes, everyone else be damned, just get the fuck out of our way. This is acceptable because it's the letter of the law, but every raiding guild is miserable under this ruleset. I know you can't enjoy this shitstorm. You stepped up and found a ragefire solution, let's work on better rules of engagement because this is retarded.

We didn't set up camp over you, we had people there to make sure inny and the train stayed on our people. If you hadn't of engaged, you wouldn't of had aggro or the train. Because you did engage, we had to move people over to try and keep our pull from being KS'd and to get a hold on the train.

arsenalpow · #7 03-13-2012, 12:38 PM

I think a more accurate comparison is that BDA/VD/TMO were in a parade proceeding down mainstreet, then TMO decided that they were more important and diverted traffic onto the parade route because it suited them. Fuck everybody else. Just admit you're inconsiderate, no need to sugarcoat it. It's all about the pixels baby.

Autotune · #8 03-13-2012, 12:40 PM

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I think a more accurate comparison is that BDA/VD/TMO were in a parade proceeding down mainstreet, then TMO decided that they were more important and diverted traffic onto the parade route because it suited them. Fuck everybody else. Just admit you're inconsiderate, no need to sugarcoat it. It's all about the pixels baby.

we didn't divert the traffic, you (your guild) did.

arsenalpow · #9 03-13-2012, 12:49 PM

You could have engaged at the top of the ramp, or in his room, yet you chose the bottom of the ramp where two other guilds were sitting. All 3 guilds were competing for same mob yet you decided to make camp on top of everyone.

If I'm sitting at a table with Sanluen, coldblooded, and Starie (it's a double date!) and you walk up with Jeremy and say "hey we're bringing a group to sit here, you should move" how is that kosher?

Right now the status quo is train the world, get FTE with pets and eyes, everyone else be damned, just get the fuck out of our way. This is acceptable because it's the letter of the law, but every raiding guild is miserable under this ruleset. I know you can't enjoy this shitstorm. You stepped up and found a ragefire solution, let's work on better rules of engagement because this is retarded.

Metallikus · #10 03-13-2012, 12:55 PM

rules for engagement would work if enforced. One raid should not be allowed to train mobs onto another raid. It is clearly written into teh rules that raids should avoid each other in the zone and not disrupt each other. If you were camped at the bottom of the ramp, they should not be able to pull mobs thru yer camp, they should move up the ramp and pull there.