Game Mechanics: Mem blur and HP

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Versus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the record, that was our pull. We had FTE and therefore can cast whatever spells we want on the mob. IB/VD stole it off our puller. That's why nothing was ever done about it.

You lost FTE when the only person on the aggro list was charmed. That moves a player from the aggro list because that player is friendly to the dragon. This is why you pull dragons with two people and why talndor shouted a re-engage message when our puller hit him as he saw talendor patching back home rather than following your puller.

I can prove that being charmed removes you from the aggro list based on a recent hoshkar when I get home to my PC if you like, but the logs of talendor using his specific shout only used when first aggroed out of seek mode kinda already proved this.

Saying something is established without understanding the mechanics of the server is extremely counterproductive to a discussion like this. You've also been told and chastised IB in the past for taking matters into our own hands. You are no less wrong in forcing a wipe here than you claim we were in similar instances. You cannot have it both ways.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was done by a different guild on Talendor as shown above and was never ruled an exploit, so it is being considered fair game in a non-CSR-assist zone until ruled otherwise.

Either way, an official response would be appreciated so we know how to proceed within the scope of the server rules.

i'm so glad you said this.

Who deemed that it was considered fair game to exploit a known bug?

[Wisetree]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We memblurred Talendor

[chief]

anyways....

[Xanthias]

This is NOT Rants and Flames.
This is Bugs forum.
Take the my sword is bigger than yours talk there.

This is a bug, Rogean said as much.
Just curious when it will be fixed.

Thank you

[Zeelot]

We would also appreciate a GM ruling on the matter so that we know whether memblurring VP raid targets to CH them is allowed.

[Raavak]

I've looked a little for specific links proving whether memblur is a complete reset in a mobs hp or not and found nothing in that regard (because it wasn't that way at all ever as far as I can recollect). Lots of discussion on the use of it in various situations where a complete hp reset would have been a quick raid wipe (changing rampage tank in Velious). The only use for griefing was in order to win a "dps race" when one raid was trying to KS another (memblur AoW when the mob was already damaged and then disc it to death) in Velious.

Found no reference in posted patch notes archive.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You lost FTE when the only person on the aggro list was charmed. That moves a player from the aggro list because that player is friendly to the dragon. This is why you pull dragons with two people and why talndor shouted a re-engage message when our puller hit him as he saw talendor patching back home rather than following your puller.

I can prove that being charmed removes you from the aggro list based on a recent hoshkar when I get home to my PC if you like, but the logs of talendor using his specific shout only used when first aggroed out of seek mode kinda already proved this.

Saying something is established without understanding the mechanics of the server is extremely counterproductive to a discussion like this. You've also been told and chastised IB in the past for taking matters into our own hands. You are no less wrong in forcing a wipe here than you claim we were in similar instances. You cannot have it both ways.

It doesn't matter if he was charmed and it "dropped" him from aggro table. He was still FTE, still alive, and would be attacked once charm dropped. Being charmed is still being engaged with a mob. What you're talking about is a technicality, and by what you're saying it compares to a cleric dropping a DD and then casting DI. He is still FTE but it will take a few moments for the mob to attack.

[Zeelot]

This thread isn't a debate over that tal, but I had tagged the dragon well before the other puller got charmed. Yes charm clears aggro, but back on topic please! This is about the fact that mob CH on mem blur is not classic.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter if he was charmed and it "dropped" him from aggro table. He was still FTE, still alive, and would be attacked once charm dropped. Being charmed is still being engaged with a mob. What you're talking about is a technicality, and by what you're saying it compares to a cleric dropping a DD and then casting DI. He is still FTE but it will take a few moments for the mob to attack.

that's actually wrong. Being charmed is technically no different than being FD'd.

All of this is beside the point tho.

A member used it once and was never ruled against.

now an entire guild (raid leaders) are using the bug exploit and defending it's use openly.

Can we please get the immunity flags or a direct ruling, or something.