Epic for Ninik!

[Serin]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And do you realize how dumb you are being "OMG they were in the wrong place at the wrong time FUCKING SUSPEND THEM"

Jesus fuck. let it go.

that is the dumbest damn argument i've ever heard TBH. until i receive fraps that SHOWS Me that they were actively DPSing Draco down and raiding then i'm not going to punish them. They were in fear and Draco spawned on top of them. They did their very best to get out of the zone and not interfere with other raids.

IF they buffed a raid or helped a raid by kiting for them during the kill or killing their trash etc. or engaging the mob then i could see it.

*editing to add* yes. i'm being a bitch here. I'm sick of being attacked.

So, to get this straight.. You're saying that I can run around and lower a mob down to summoning level (in order to make it summon kiters) drag it to the zone IN.. And "gate/die" once it's there (on top of a guild that zones in).. And then have my sister-guild go in when it's clear and kill the mob..

As long as I make up a nice story about how "oops, I went linkdead while I was standing in the wrong position"

Got it.. Thanks.. That sounds perfectly reasonable!

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Serin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, to get this straight.. You're saying that I can run around and lower a mob down to summoning level (in order to make it summon kiters) drag it to the zone IN.. And "gate/die" once it's there (on top of a guild that zones in).. And then have my sister-guild go in when it's clear and kill the mob..

As long as I make up a nice story about how "oops, I went linkdead while I was standing in the wrong position"

Got it.. Thanks.. That sounds perfectly reasonable!

Who sends an entire raid force through the Fear portal without having intel on exactly what's on the other side and whether it's safe to have everyone zone in or not? Regardless of whether IB was just goofing off, or actually had the perceived malicious intent, BDA could have avoided ALL OF THIS by sending in a FD scout like everyone else does, and letting the rest of the raid force know when it's safe to zone in.

Even if you have just cleared two hours before. CT could have re-popped the zone. Some trash that had been killed before you came into clear may have respawned. You don't know, so why risk zoning your entire raid into an unknown situation if you can help it?

Instead, it's easier to point blame and create conspiracy theories, am I right? Again, not trying to be a dick... but send a scout into Fear ahead of your raid force. Always. This is why.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who sends an entire raid force through the Fear portal without having intel on exactly what's on the other side and whether it's safe to have everyone zone in or not? Regardless of whether IB was just goofing off, or actually had the perceived malicious intent, BDA could have avoided ALL OF THIS by sending in a FD scout like everyone else does, and letting the rest of the raid force know when it's safe to zone in.

Even if you have just cleared two hours before. CT could have re-popped the zone. Some trash that had been killed before you came into clear may have respawned. You don't know, so why risk zoning your entire raid into an unknown situation if you can help it?

Instead, it's easier to point blame and create conspiracy theories, am I right? Again, not trying to be a dick... but send a scout into Fear ahead of your raid force. Always. This is why.

You know you done fucked up when Yendor gives you raid commentary.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know you done fucked up when Yendor gives you raid commentary.

LOL iknorite?

[Serin]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who sends an entire raid force through the Fear portal without having intel on exactly what's on the other side and whether it's safe to have everyone zone in or not? Regardless of whether IB was just goofing off, or actually had the perceived malicious intent, BDA could have avoided ALL OF THIS by sending in a FD scout like everyone else does, and letting the rest of the raid force know when it's safe to zone in.

Even if you have just cleared two hours before. CT could have re-popped the zone. Some trash that had been killed before you came into clear may have respawned. You don't know, so why risk zoning your entire raid into an unknown situation if you can help it?

Instead, it's easier to point blame and create conspiracy theories, am I right? Again, not trying to be a dick... but send a scout into Fear ahead of your raid force. Always. This is why.

Oh, you mean the same reason that VD had no trackers in zone, but Mysteriously knew exactly that draco was up?

HRMMMM WONDER HOW VD FIGURED THAT OUT GAIZ? Anybody have any idea? I certainly don't..

Oh, not to mention the fact that the competition plays by shitty "First to engage" rules and acts like bitchy little girls over crap loot that always requires gms to spend at least a month trying to figure out what exactly happened?

Why would anyone zone their forces into a raid zone while those rules apply.. I haven't the foggiest.. I mean seriously guys.. WHY would someone zone into a zone to kill a raid mob when that's the way the server handles raid mobs??

Not to mention, Why IB was in a zone that has pretty much nothing but raid content anyway? I mean.. I could understand dicking around in KC, or say.. EJ, or DL, Even Seb, or Permafrost, or solb.. or any of the other zones that raid mobs just so happen to spawn in.. But fear? Most guilds I know bring at least 2-3 groups to fear..

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Serin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, you mean the same reason that VD had no trackers in zone, but Mysteriously knew exactly that draco was up?

HRMMMM WONDER HOW VD FIGURED THAT OUT GAIZ? Anybody have any idea? I certainly don't.

Because this is the first time ever in the history of Everquest that one guild has told another guild that a mob was up. I didn't realize sharing information was unethical or wrong? No one was sure complaining about TMO sharing all the raid target window information with anyone, right?

Originally Posted by Serin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, not to mention the fact that the competition plays by shitty "First to engage" rules and acts like bitchy little girls over crap loot that always requires gms to spend at least a month trying to figure out what exactly happened?

Um, do you mean, the server raid rules by which we're all bound?

The rules of engagement for raid bosses on Project 1999 are First to Engage (FTE) in any situation that is not covered below.

Originally Posted by Serin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would anyone zone their forces into a raid zone while those rules apply.. I haven't the foggiest.. I mean seriously guys.. WHY would someone zone into a zone to kill a raid mob when that's the way the server handles raid mobs??

It takes ten seconds to zone in someone that can FD in advance of the raid force to make sure the zone-in is clear and nothing fishy is going on. Come on now.

Originally Posted by Serin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to mention, Why IB was in a zone that has pretty much nothing but raid content anyway? I mean.. I could understand dicking around in KC, or say.. EJ, or DL, Even Seb, or Permafrost, or solb.. or any of the other zones that raid mobs just so happen to spawn in.. But fear? Most guilds I know bring at least 2-3 groups to fear..

The raid content of CT and Draco were not up at the time they were dicking around. Some classes can SOLO in Fear, especially if there's only a few mobs up as it is.

Seriously, stop looking for conspiracy theories. We didn't go apeshit on you when you trained Trakanon on us while we were recovering from our first attempt. We knew that was unintentional.

[Serin]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because this is the first time ever in the history of Everquest that one guild has told another guild that a mob was up. I didn't realize sharing information was unethical or wrong? No one was sure complaining about TMO sharing all the raid target window information with anyone, right?



Um, do you mean, the server raid rules by which we're all bound?

The rules of engagement for raid bosses on Project 1999 are First to Engage (FTE) in any situation that is not covered below.



It takes ten seconds to zone in someone that can FD in advance of the raid force to make sure the zone-in is clear and nothing fishy is going on. Come on now.



The raid content of CT and Draco were not up at the time they were dicking around. Some classes can SOLO in Fear, especially if there's only a few mobs up as it is.

Seriously, stop looking for conspiracy theories. We didn't go apeshit on you when you trained Trakanon on us while we were recovering from our first attempt. We knew that was unintentional.

So, it's suddenly a conspiracy theory when a guilds who is known for training and other unethical practices.. and are currently BANNED for their unethical practices.. Send a message to a guild who is KNOWN to raid in conjunction with them and "ACCIDENTALLY" train a competing guild..

Man, That's reaching so far into my asshole to pull that idea together.. I think I felt my teeth where that idea came from.. I mean.. Perish the thought that a guild that is KNOWN for unethical behavior acts unethically.. I bet you believe that all politicians are honorbound to tell the truth too..

To be perfectly honest.. VD could've handled it differently.. "Oh, You were trained by IB.. Here, we'll give you a shot at the mob considering we've picked up 9/10 other raid targets in the past 2 days" .. Instead, VD walks over a raid-force worth of corpses, and kills the mob..

Which leads to the conclusion that IB was either working on their own to Screw over anyone but their partner, or that VD just enjoys squirting a water + vinegar mixture into ladies nether regions..

[Heebee]

Back on topic - how about that epic for Ninik?

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who sends an entire raid force through the Fear portal without having intel on exactly what's on the other side and whether it's safe to have everyone zone in or not?

I would


but i hate my exp bar..


I'm trying to teach it a lesson.

[arsenalpow]

We had a tracker on the other side in fear and an officer sitting at west wall who gave the all clear. Then IB showed up with Draco. If IB were trying to camp out or clear aggro why would they train to the portal? Why not head for the zone out or just gate? It's not some conspiracy but when looking at the entire situation from the BDA side could you see how we might think something was fishy?

It's all irrelevant at this point, what's done is done.

Best of luck in your next raid encounters.