Raid Petitions / GM CS

[Xatava]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look Bruman, I had a huge thread earlier about getting more simulated patch days. I still think its a good idea (my favorite would be 2 per month, 1 random and 1 on say the first of every month) and utterly classic. I think we should implement it tomorrow. But the real problem here is that EQ is designed to make players fight over a limited number of raid mobs. Meanwhile our server is populated almost entirely by people who played on live before, and were good at it, i.e. they played a lot, so the server is extremely top heavy. In other words, the supply is low, the demand is high, and the payment will come in time.

Again, I like the Giegue/Loraen plan: to claim FTE, your guild must have the raid boss at 99% HP or less, and one of your players summoned by the raid mob within the past 30 seconds. If you are legitimately killilng the mob, this is easy anyway: as soon as the main tank sees the target's HP at 99%, just run away until you get summoned. Actually I think TMO/IB/VD should just sit down and agree to this anyway.

This is easy to verify because mobs currently shout to the zone when they summon players. It eliminates all forms of kiting or stalling or whatever.

I've seen some stupid suggestions before, but it's going to be very difficult to top this one.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no 2 guilds are going to sock a mob they know is going to spawn if there are 10 others about to pop as well.

A decision will be made and there will be no FTE battle. The high priority problem mobs will be killed first with no competition. the final mob/s will be low priority mobs that no guild will care about. /waves at gore

It solves problems.

This happens every single time.

it solves problem on less desirable raid targets


still FTE spam fest on the most desired ones.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no 2 guilds are going to sock a mob they know is going to spawn if there are 10 others about to pop as well.

A decision will be made and there will be no FTE battle. The high priority problem mobs will be killed first with no competition. the final mob/s will be low priority mobs that no guild will care about. /waves at gore

It solves problems.

This happens every single time.

I'd be interested in wondering what the experiences are of GM's who've had to deal with full repops, when they did happen (specifically whether there were less disputes). From the fights I took part in, FTE was never contested and there was much more emphasis on mobilization.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd be interested in wondering what the experiences are of GM's who've had to deal with full repops, when they did happen (specifically whether there were less disputes). From the fights I took part in, FTE was never contested and there was much more emphasis on mobilization.

this is what happens. Instead of a race to tag each mob, it's a race of who can kill the most.

every time there are repops we avoid each other like the plague on high priority targets. Mainly cause it's a waste of time to bother with FTE bullshit.

Like I said, no guild will bother trying to FTE high priority mobs, there is more than 1. 5 total atm.

Who is going to go to hate to contest a mob against a guild already mobilized for it when Trak, CT, VS, Fay are still up?

No one.

Edit: There is not a single good reason for not implementing this.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's still about loot, you said it yourself - you're trying to complete a druid epic.

The only reason to kill any of these mobs from the big guilds is to get their loot (even if 99% of it they don't care about anymore). Noone cares about actually being able to kill the mob. I don't blame you guys - you've all done it 5000 times.

I mean, I understand what you're saying - every time the GMs come up with a new rule, someone will find a way to cheat it. Eye of Zoom is the current stupid thing in a long list of nonsense that's being used. But the only reason you'd spend that much time waiting on Fay, again, is for the loot.

Next time I inspect you, you better not have anything in your equipment slots then, especially planar/raid gear. Of course people want to achieve some sort of reward for their time/effort.

How does the zonewide FTE shout idea keep getting swept under the rug? It's almost like people would rather have the confusion/drama/GM intervention...

[Zapatos]

The zonewide fte shout is the best and simplest thing that can be added to the game right now that would prevent Amelinda, guides, etc to have to be flooded with FTE petitions. It would make the raiding part of the game more manageable with less GM oversight. It's not classic (nor is variance), but it would supplement the need for constant GM involvement.

Training, blatent kill stealing, ninja looting, stalling, etc etc are all other things. This is just a solution to one (though one of the most frequent raid problems)

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Zapatos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The zonewide fte shout is the best and simplest thing that can be added to the game right now that would prevent Amelinda, guides, etc to have to be flooded with FTE petitions. It would make the raiding part of the game more manageable with less GM oversight. It's not classic (nor is variance), but it would supplement the need for constant GM involvement.

Training, blatent kill stealing, ninja looting, stalling, etc etc are all other things. This is just a solution to one (though one of the most frequent raid problems)

+1 for zonewide FTE shout until better ideas come up that GM's will implement.

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Next time I inspect you, you better not have anything in your equipment slots then, especially planar/raid gear. Of course people want to achieve some sort of reward for their time/effort.

You're not making any sense. You're the one who has to defend his "it's not about the loot" stance.

-Someone says "It's not about the loot"
-Bruman says "Yes it is"
-Yendor says "No, it's really not, it's about time invested"
-Bruman says "The only reason you invest time is still for the loot"
-Yendor says "Of course it's about the loot"

Bunny pancake? Why would I not have any planar gear? I never insinuated or implied there was anything wrong in playing for loot (although it's on the minor side of why I play, personally, but it's there).

I was calling bullshit (and rightly so) on the argument that people just want to kill the mob for competition. If that's the case, then any arbitrary mob could be raced for to get the same thing. First to kill Emperor Crush wins EQ! (Just kidding, BDA has it locked down, noone has any chance).

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does the zonewide FTE shout idea keep getting swept under the rug? It's almost like people would rather have the confusion/drama/GM intervention...

D'oh sorry for the double-post - anyways, I have no idea. It's a decent idea, but is only treating a symptom, not the root of the problem. It'd still be an improvement over what we have now.

But the GMs seem unwilling to respond to anything regarding the current state of raiding, hence why the topic keeps coming up every two weeks.

[Silentone]

We need server repops, we need the FTE shout to be put in...hell if you can lock a target to a guild tag, do it.