Whats with the World of Warcraft Crowd?

[Radiskull]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At what point does a tank warrior with 30+ lower str and sta pass a tank SK in hp and dps? I was under the impression that those stats plus the SK pet and spells would more than make up for the warrior having a better damage table.



My bad, I was starting to feel like it was more a discussion of xp penalties than just hybrid xp penalties.

Fine then. Rogue shaman vs. bard ranger. The group with the two hybrids needs only ~13% more xp than the group without. 3 blues on a level. That's not a difference you can notice unless you're leveling under laboratory conditions.

And while the rogue brings more damage than the ranger, that's all he brings. And while the shaman buffs are amazing for melee and slow is awesome for everyone, not every group is stacked with melee and enc/bard slows are nothing to sneeze at, while the bard also brings some unique and powerful tools to the group (mana regen, resists, and a bit of everything else).

You pulled the race card again... this isn't about race! I have NEVER heard anyone complain about race exp penalties. The day I see someone say "Man, this ogre exp penalty is bogus!", I'll eat my words, but until then, lets drop it. A shaman slowing for a halfling warrior vs an enchanter slowing for an ogre... I have no data to back this up, but I'd say at worst it's even, but still irrelevant since we aren't talking race.

3 blues at level 54+ is a lot of experience. And with 60 levels... 3 blues per level multiplied by 60 levels... you see where I'm going? Not to mention that you're killing slower because rogue dps > ranger dps, so kills per hour goes down, furthering the gap in experience gain. The point is, there is a reason for the discrimination. If rogues had the 40% penalties, and rangers the 10% bonus, people would invite more rangers. They bring LESS to the table (as a dps slot) and require more experience for everyone grouped with them, making them less desired.

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Radiskull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You pulled the race card again... this isn't about race! I have NEVER heard anyone complain about race exp penalties. The day I see someone say "Man, this ogre exp penalty is bogus!", I'll eat my words, but until then, lets drop it. A shaman slowing for a halfling warrior vs an enchanter slowing for an ogre... I have no data to back this up, but I'd say at worst it's even, but still irrelevant since we aren't talking race.

3 blues at level 54+ is a lot of experience. And with 60 levels... 3 blues per level multiplied by 60 levels... you see where I'm going? Not to mention that you're killing slower because rogue dps > ranger dps, so kills per hour goes down, furthering the gap in experience gain. The point is, there is a reason for the discrimination. If rogues had the 40% penalties, and rangers the 10% bonus, people would invite more rangers. They bring LESS to the table (as a dps slot) and require more experience for everyone grouped with them, making them less desired.

Sorry, can't help but play the race card when the last few posts of mine started by quoting someone who played a troll shadowknight and commented that with him and a bard and a ranger in the group, the pulls were great but the xp was slow.

And actually when you consider 13% over the course of 60 levels? It depends on how you look at it. 13% over 60 levels is the difference between being a couple blues into 59 and being a freshly-dinged 60.

And rangers don't bring less to the table than rogues do. They bring less DPS to the table, yes. But so does everyone else, and yet you still don't see any groups of 6 rogues running around being successful now do you?

[Kriven]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, can't help but play the race card when the last few posts of mine started by quoting someone who played a troll shadowknight and commented that with him and a bard and a ranger in the group, the pulls were great but the xp was slow.

Play a troll SK, feel the exp penalty and the hatred and rejection that comes with it sometimes...that's all I was pointing out, and I wasn't directing it at anyone's post, just putting my experiences of doing so across.

The penalty might be shared, but to a slow moving troll SK exp bar, its like walking through mud when you add a couple more hybrids into a group with a "typical" pull rate.

Well, get that... a hybrid hates other hybrids, who'd have thought [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]