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Old 05-01-2010, 08:38 AM
Bumamgar Bumamgar is offline
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I had forgotten about that, good find!
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Old 05-01-2010, 09:22 AM
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Interesting post btw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Without Google I never would have found it...If you go look at the patch message from when they made the changes it doesn't even list the changes to the experience system...It just references back to the producer's letter and is kind of weird about it. Don't remember seeing anything like that before or since.

They just revamped the entire exp system, something they swore they'd never touch, and it was almost like they were pouting and didn't want to talk about it or something....Such classic Verant...reminded me of an ex gf....ALWAYS right the first time....Like Alchemy and barbarian shield graphics were "working as intended" for almost two years...Untill they actually bothered to listen to a thousand people and actually have a look at them. You just know one of those dorks kicked a hole in the wall the day of that patch.

Funny thing is, I got all warm and fuzzy yesterday when I saw "old" Freeport for the first time here....When I saw the name of the producer on that letter last night I kind of cringed. Of all the things to get nostalgic about from classic EQ, Abashi isn't one of them.

Wonder what ever happend to that jackass. I wish I were a bigger man, but I have to admit, I kind of hope his karma caught up with him and it was really really bad. LOL That guy is the only person I've ever seen....anywhere....who actually seemed to relish being overtly abusive to his paying customers and still managed to keep his job, somehow. I mean, one time he put up on the boards a compliation of bannings he got to do in person in game, most of them were people who just said extreme things about him personally on random message boards that could be construed as threats. I better watch it or he might find this and report me to the FBI....apparently he did that too...He bragged about it on the boards. LOL Such a complete douche nozzle.

I had completely forgotten about all that.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:03 AM
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I think the perception that wizards are gimped comes from a variety of factors:

First, a wizard requires more skill than a mage or necro. Before people flame me for this comment, think carefully. A good wizard is always tethering their aggro and mana balance. Their fast nukes can cause an inexperienced player to nuke excessively causing their ultimate demise. A mage does not suffer this same fate. They send pet in and their cast time is a lot longer. They will usually not have time to generate the hate a wizard can. A wizard is not as simple as /pet attack, cast nuke, etc. A player has to think carefully whether or not this is the mob they need to burn down or is it better to do some damage and saving their mana for that nasty pull when they need to kill several mobs or possibly evac the group.

Another contributing factor to the gimpness of wizards is their bursty dps. Yes a wizard can burn down a single mob in the shortest amount of time (except maybe a team of SKs HTing a mob, though I recall this being nerfed too at some point) but because of mana limitations, their dps will suffer over a sustained duration of time. The mage and necro will not have this problem as their pet will continue to do damage even if they themselves are out of mana. Factor in the damage shield that a mage can cast and that damage is also independant of existing mana once it is cast.

In a raid situation, the necro and mage have other options for their mana. The mage functions as a rod summoner and the necro as mana battery. The wizard has no other alternative but to be dps. The pet issues on raid mobs has already been mentioned and without pet hold, many encounters are preferred not to have a pet so the mage and necro are forced to their alternative role. I have seen many mages and necros complain of this over the years but unfortunately, this is the best use of their mana (and was always the case until rods were nerfed during PoP era and twitching became trivial once cheal no longer became the preferred method of healing).

The last factor I can think of is, because wizards take some more skill than a necro or mage to play, having a less than adequate wizard in your group is very obvious. We all have seen the wizard that ninja afks to no end, the wizard who panic gates, the wizard who overaggros and kills himself, or worse yet, the cleric who goess oom trying to save aforementioned wizard. The pet classes we're comparing wizards to are a lot more forgiving in terms of skill. That is not to say wizards are so hard to play but just require a little more thought. This is also not a bash on mages and necros as there are plenty of skilled players playing those classes as well.
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Old 05-01-2010, 10:32 PM
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Managing your mana and threat as a wizard is hardly something I consider as being an element of skill. I classify it more in the "common sense" area.
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Old 05-01-2010, 10:45 PM
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Managing your mana and threat as a wizard is hardly something I consider as being an element of skill. I classify it more in the "common sense" area.
And yet it's an ability most people lack, hence the abundance of mages [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 05-01-2010, 10:57 PM
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And yet it's an ability most people lack, hence the abundance of mages [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Not even close to the reason why there are more mages than wizards. People pick mages right now because there dps is sick there pets are extremely useful on all raid encounters, soloing you can level 8x the speed of a wizard. Wizards cant farm crap compared to mages. Want me to go on? Playing a Wizard isnt difficult at all, sit med at 40% nuke sit med at 40% nuke, hell maybe go all out and do 2 nukes on 1 mob?!!? Once Wizards group up and ae farm they will own, but at this point you can level a 50 mage in a month and then gear a wizard and level him to 50 before we see kunark.

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Old 05-02-2010, 12:05 AM
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People pick mages right now because there dps is sick
define sick.

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there pets are extremely useful on all raid encounters
Yeah you sound like you raided alot.

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soloing you can level 8x the speed of a wizard.
How did you come to that number? Pity wizards cant kill multiple mobs like you can. Oh wait...

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Wizards cant farm crap compared to mages.
Mkay. I guess theres no way for a wizard to make money, if only they had some ability that others needed, if not a heal..a way to ferry people through mystical portals or something to that effect...hmmm..

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Want me to go on?
Please do, I need a good laugh from a sperger.

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Playing a Wizard isnt difficult at all, sit med at 40% nuke sit med at 40% nuke, hell maybe go all out and do 2 nukes on 1 mob?!!?
No Tishans? No Evac? No bonds of force? No CC root? No wonder you have an abysmal view of the class if that was all you did on your wizard.

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Once Wizards group up and ae farm they will own, but at this point you can level a 50 mage in a month and then gear a wizard and level him to 50 before we see kunark.
Read the rest of the thread and get back to us. Wizards provide burst damage on command with no cool-down nukes with decent efficiency.

Don't get upset that the wizard takes more than a /pet attack /cast 1 macro to play. There plenty of incentive to be one as others in the thread pointed out.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:10 AM
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And yet it's an ability most people lack, hence the abundance of mages [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Yeah, I agree its not the reason that mages are much more abundant. The concept of threat management is beyond many in the game (including mages!).
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:53 AM
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Yeah, I agree its not the reason that mages are much more abundant. The concept of threat management is beyond many in the game (including mages!).
Aye, but kinda funny that someone kinda responded in such a spectacular fashion however(eqholmes). Pretty much typified the kind of player I was talking about.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:28 AM
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Well I do agree with him on some levels with the wizard. I played one on live for a LONG time and pretty much a majority of the playtime follows the patterns he described.

I ultimately think that EQ is very simple and most classes have very few areas to actually demonstrate skill. The game follows very very hard rules and knowing how the mechanics of the game works is where you actually see the "skill" take place.
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