Luclin models...a poll

[AR3151]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I fully disagree.

A) Luclin didn't ruin EQ... Yes, cats on the moon is a ridiculous premise, and the Bazaar and Nexus were the beginning of the end, but the rest of the expansion (new models, Alternate Advancement, raid content (Ssra, VT, etc) were very good.

B) Rampant instancing is what ruined EQ. EQ was wonderful through PoP (again, PoK books were a bad idea, but PoP raid progression is some of the best ever). However, after PoP, everything went instanced because SOE didn't like dealing with player disputes over raid targets, and decided to cater to the entitlement crowd (I want my raid target to be available whenever my guild wants to attempt it, wahhhh!). The plethora of instanced group and raid content was the final nail in the coffin that destroyed the community.

In summary, three things destroyed EQ: the Bazaar, Nexus Spires/PoK Books, and Instancing. Each of them acted to remove a reason for players to interact and chipped away at the overall community, which was the true lifeblood of EQ.

New player models didn't destroy EQ. Saying that anyone who likes new models shouldn't play on this server is pretty crappy, imho.

i couldnt agree more. you are 150% correct.

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by km2783 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's hilarious how many people are getting bent out of shape over something they can't even see.

No, it's hillarious that when you disagree with someone and they come back with the old line of "you're getting bent out of shape".

I am sorry, but I fail to see anyone getting bent out of shape here about it. Sure, there are a few "short" answers that seem kind of rude, but that is what happens when you go against the "purists" of classic.

Accept it. Don't fight it!

[Cscott]

why are mage pet models in then? I hate them and turn em off but still.

[President]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by Cscott [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why are mage pet models in then? I hate them and turn em off but still.

Those are global zone models, so without reverting all the zone files (ie: similar to nektulos and lavastorm) the p99 devs can't really roll those back to classic. Same issue with the skellis and wolves.

[km2783]

When I see all caps, usually the person is getting upset or "feisty" over whatever it is. Sometimes it's maybe just a bit of emphasis, or perhaps passionate is a better word. But blanket statements about the ruining of the game, and the mentality of the players who want a different graphic, are pretty well, bent out of shape. It's just plain silly to me.

FWIW, I picked yes for Luclin because it doesn't hurt anything, and I'm not forced to use them. And I just might anyway if they were available, who knows? Right now I'm rocking my half elf's face-textured box-head just fine, though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One could argue this: "Well, if we do Luclin models, why stop there? Why not start using all the fanciful new graphics SOE did?" And I agree, it could be a slippery slope fraught with peril. But in the end it's all up to the Admins on what they want included on their server.

As long as no one is forced to use one graphic over another, I see absolutely no reason why the Luclin models can't be included if enough people want them and the Admins are okay with it. They hurt no one and no one at all has to see them that doesn't want to.

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those are global zone models, so without reverting all the zone files (ie: similar to nektulos and lavastorm) the p99 devs can't really roll those back to classic. Same issue with the skellis and wolves.

Someone told me in OOC that we can go in and change them back at the character select screen? I haven't messed about with that, yet, though.

[AR3151]

Originally Posted by Deathrydar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it's hillarious that when you disagree with someone and they come back with the old line of "you're getting bent out of shape".

I am sorry, but I fail to see anyone getting bent out of shape here about it. Sure, there are a few "short" answers that seem kind of rude, but that is what happens when you go against the "purists" of classic.

Accept it. Don't fight it!

when someone repeats themself in multiple posts its obvious they are bent out of shape.

maybe its them that cant accept that not everyone has the same outlook as someone else..

[President]

For those of you who haven't read the thread or the other GM responses, read this: Nilbog stated that they were not enabled, because the luclin expansion is not enabled (and never will be). They are not "turned off" by the GM's, this is how it works by "default." He said it's "possible" that they might be able to find a workaround for it, but that he probably wasn't going to waste his time on it.

[km2783]

Well, then. Aren't we all just silly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nocte]

Players other than myself are unable to see the models as they are displayed on my screen. If I choose to display dwarves as a pink cube with arms and legs (and a beard, I guess), the person playing that character will never know, and it doesn't affect them at all.

I don't see why this is limited any more than people altering their UI files. I would suggest opening up the ability to display Luclin models (but not Luclin content) and leave the decision on which models to display to the player.


edit: I notice this now has a poll. The selections should be, "I will not activate Luclin models" or "I would like the option to activate Luclin models."

"I don't want other people to have Luclin models even though I will never see them" is really pretty lame.