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11-22-2011, 12:56 AM
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Equal distribution of income, single-payer health care, increased environmental regulation, student loan debt forgiveness, immigration reform including amnesty for illegals, increased spending in public works, one-year+ freeze on forclosures, etc. The other problem is that the 'goals' aren't universal and are constantly changing. Any movement that includes the support and backing of the groups I quoted above, and at least a few of the groups are pushing for these things... A Libertarian can support? | |||
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11-22-2011, 01:39 AM
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I support the OWS based on the initial and most prominent point of protest, that being against the government bailouts. I think they are only harmful and delaying the inevitable. I have no problems whatsoever with people being wealthy. I have problems with people abusing the social contract and being rewarded for mistakes, which is what is happening in our financial system right now.
So I guess I would be against equal distribution of income, against single-payer healthcare, against student loan debt forgiveness, against immigration reform, against increased spending in public works and against one year + freeze on forclosures. Environmental regulation is tricky though, while supporting it is pro-big government, being against it is a stance I can't feel comfortable with. At the risk of sounding hypocritical I am leaning more towards stringent regulation to protect the environment even if it constricts business and capitalism. But as far as student loan debt, health care, forclosures - all of these are risks that individuals took upon themselves. While banks should face consequences for writing bad mortgages, individuals should face consequences for trying to handle something they knew they shouldn't of gotten themselves into to begin with. Responsibility is a two-way street and just because people are being forclosed on their homes, the majority of the time its due to their own lack of forsight in agreeing to terms they knew they couldn't meet.
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11-22-2011, 03:12 AM
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Single-payer health care is not a bad idea but does not necessarily work for such a large country. With that said the treatment costs and subsequent treatment costs are related. I'm bothered by the fact that my insurance kept going up every year just as fast as the costs of treatment but my paycheck sure didn't reflect it. I got a job that paid for health insurance.. a fucking HSA. It's bare bones but it fucking staved off a (relatively cheap, $6k) hospital bill. Student loan forgiveness is retarded. Frankly I don't agree with this one but the beauty is I don't give a fuck about what the guy next to me is protesting. The actual concept of OWS is economic in justice. People buying votes, lobbying for private interests, insurance premiums going up, etc. I was thinking of going back to college but recent state maneuvers is going to leave tuition approximately 30% higher even for state universities next year. I don't blame the need for catchup as those schools have been failing but the previous generation has always said, "oh just get a degree in anything it'll mean the world." This indoctrination has completely fucked up the expectations of current young adults. I think the morons that take on loads of debt to get a degree in African ornithology are retarded but there are people who have followed the rules, jumped through hoops, completed a fuckton of ground work, and end up unemployed 5-10 years down the road because the game changed. Amnesty for illegals? fuck that. Considering a presidential candidate already passed resolutions for that in his home state. I think there needs to be a little bit more reservation and follow a slightly more nationalist path when it comes to immigration law. This is a new one I haven't heard, at least at the NC occupations. Increased spending on public works? Probably, as some are absolute shit. It would employ a lot of people and help fix our existing environment, infrastructure, and long-term supplies. With that said I know of a project on a future interstate where they are trying to widen a bridge. In an urban area. It's fucking retarded. Freezing foreclosures seems to be a hot button issue. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are government backed industries that had to follow government regulations. They collapsed when they realized people were basically going to foreclose anyway. The problem that I have seen has not been the middle class that loses their way-too-expensive homes built during that shit ass fucked up housing bubble, but those of veterans, poor people, and police officers... normal citizens that are not necessarily living above their means or any means but just doing the best they can. I don't give a fuck if the Johnsons down the road can't afford their artificially high priced $600k home, but I do care that the Smiths living in low income housing still can't buck it. It's not about sticking it to the government or banks it's about getting the fucking system right... they aren't helping. There is a difference between an equal society and a healthy society. We're teetering on losing all of that status. | |||
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11-22-2011, 03:19 AM
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PS http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...WhatsNewsThird
What the fuck is this and why is it coherent; how is she the author? I mean yeah she kinda lied about her fighting her way for ordinary Alaskans, as she totally quit her governor's job in favor of higher paychecks in DC, BUT the words still ring true. | ||
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#378
11-22-2011, 03:22 AM
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Sarah Palin quit her job saying that she wanted to be home with the kids and relax after failing the VP shit, and then went on a national tour to promote her book.
I have no idea what is wrong with that stump sucking piece of shit Wasilla hoe-bag but nothing good can come of it. | ||
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