OCCUPY WALLSTREET!

[Pico]

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[Harrison]

More pictures of hippies getting pepper sprayed for breaking the law please.

[vaylorie]

Here is a quick list of people and organizations that officially support what the occupy wall street group is wanting to accomplish...

One quick thought first: 'Show me your friends and I'll tell you who you are'

Hugo Chavez
Government of North Korea
Black Panthers
Iran Revolutionary Guard
Revolutionary Communist Party
Communist Party of China
American Nazi Party
Hezbollah
Communist Party of America
Socailist Party USA
Marxist Student Union
International Socialist Organization
Ayatollah Khamenei
and... Barack Obama (mostly)

You have lots of friends to join the cause brethren.. Keep up the good work!

[vaylorie]

oh.. and Hasbinbad (sorry I left you out bro)

[Pico]

list of ppl actively against the occupy movement

hitler (probably)
satan
rosie odonnell
lord shaka kasenzangakhona chief of zulus
wilford brimley

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are right to compare the plight of the American person to the oppression of those in Egypt and Libya. We should live in a world where laws don't exist and each man lives and takes as he sees fit.

Straw man argument -
"To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."

I have no problem with people dancing around a subject using quick, sarcastic jabs rather than addressing true concerns and issues that are affecting millions of people and will soon be affecting the globe. I'm no anarchist, I'm just a libertarian. If you understand the difference then you'll see that I am in support of a drastic reduction in government. A social contract is necessary, I am just in favor of a change in the current social contract.

The system currently in place rewards the mistakes of the oligarchy based upon their wealth. Red-blue, right wing-left wing, democrat-republican. It doesn't matter which side anyone claims to be on, the problem is with the corruption in our government. And if you're naive enough to think the oppression we face in the United States doesn't exist merely because it goes by a different name than like I said earlier, you just don't understand yet. You'll see it soon though, the crisis is unavoidable. Our government, backed by The Fed, is choosing to take on a socialist agenda by propping up failed banks and financial institutions. The proprietors of these failed banks and financial institutions have positioned themselves into positions of government in the US - Hank Paulson ex Goldman Sachs CEO, former Sec of Treasury for example - and abroad - Mario Draghi ex-managing director of Goldman Sachs International, current Head of European Central Bank - so as to ensure that they are not the ones damaged.

The American middle class is currently and, if we continue on the path our government has set for us, will take the brunt of damage coming our way in the currency devaluation crisis over the next decade or so. Real wealth will vanish for the majority of Americans while those in the highest tiers of wealth and political office will remain safe because they've used our government and the governments of Europe to create a safety net for themselves. I don't agree with that. The system needs to be changed. If protests need to be escalated in order to ensure we return back to our capitalist free market roots, and that the majority, not the extreme and corrupt minority, are protected... then so be it.

[Jimes]

37 pages of talking. Did the world's problems get solved? Any minds changed?

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by Jimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

37 pages of talking. Did the world's problems get solved? Any minds changed?

The world's problems won't be solved, don't kid yourself. If history teaches anything its that those in power will do anything to retain it, and America is progressing down a path of 'dumbification' for lack of an actual word that best describes the population. Americans are being numbed by so many distractions and are choosing to remain ignorant rather than educate themselves on how their government and the globe works. If you were to ask the average American what were the two policies undertaken by The Fed in 2008 in order to prevent (however temporarily) the financial crisis from escalating even further I'd bet you not many would be able to answer. And if they could answer, I bet most wouldn't be able to explain how those policies were meant to prevent a depression and how in actuality the extended use of those tools is only delaying the depression.

Once it becomes impossible to be ignorant then we'll start to see problems changed, until then its just rhetoric and posturing to retain office. Business as usual.

[vaylorie]

Kraftwerk,
Lots of words... to that I say... If you are a libertarian and find value in the OWS goals and methods, I submit that you are no libertarian.

If you actually are a libertarian, good for you and you should identify more with personal responsibility and accountability. These are not traits of OWS. I would agree with most of your thoughts but in the context of this conversation, I can't honestly view OWS as a means to that end.

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kraftwerk,
Lots of words... to that I say... If you are a libertarian and find value in the OWS goals and methods, I submit that you are no libertarian.

If you actually are a libertarian, good for you and you should identify more with personal responsibility and accountability. These are not traits of OWS. I would agree with most of your thoughts but in the context of this conversation, I can't honestly view OWS as a means to that end.

OWS is against the government bailing out failing banks using taxpayer money. Explain to me how that is not about personal responsibility and accountability?