OCCUPY WALLSTREET!

[vaylorie]

Apparently you don't get it hasbinbad... they are sitting there expecting it... Great, good for them.. standing up for their cause as foolish as it actually may be... I'm not arguing or debating their cause... that doesn't mean that they aren't breaking the law and that the police are abusing their power...

You seem to have trouble understanding this.. so let me call it out specifically..
peaceful does not equal lawful

Is your point that this is again some kind of police brutality? Clearly it's not any kind of excessive force used. The police are charged with breaking up the unlawful gathering using non lethal force (exactly what is shown in the video)... You guys scour the internet to look for anything to actually make you feel justified in the violence and unlawful gatherings that occupy has become...

[Klath]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't wait to see how this is justified..

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it as well.

California Penal Code Section 12403.7

(g) Any person who uses tear gas or tear gas weapons except in
self-defense is guilty of a public offense and is punishable by
imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years
or in a county jail not to exceed one year or by a fine not to exceed
one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment,
except that, if the use is against a peace officer, as defined in
Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2,
engaged in the performance of his or her official duties and the
person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know that
the victim is a peace officer, the offense is punishable by
imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months or two or three years or
by a fine of one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and
imprisonment.

[Hasbinbad]

Right. Instead of just arresting the children 1 by 1 - because they knew they were just going to sit there, offering no resistance but to sit there - they used pepper pray, a "less lethal" weapon designed to disperse actively rioting groups of probably dangerous criminals.

That makes perfect sense. I don't know why I didn't see that before. Thank you.

[booter]

Officers who did the spraying have been put on leave, so they obviously were in the wrong. What kind of human defends them? lol

[vaylorie]

Just because they were put on leave doesn't mean they were wrong. That is standard practice in many departments when something controversial takes place.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people that break the law and continually refuse to comply with notices and requests to comply. In many agencies the standard policy is to use tools like pepper spray when there are large crowds of non-compliant people violating the law...(not just "actively rioting groups of dangerous people") If the campus police that did this don't have such a policy and the campus police acted out of accordance with their rules, then again, shame on them and they can/should be dealt with.

I'm not defending their actions or calling them justified in doing so, but I am saying that what is in the video isn't necessarily excessive force nor is it inherently brutal punishment outside of standard police action. I am also saying that the protesters are undoubtedly (peacefully) violating the law and continually refusing to comply. There are peaceful ways to protest and get your point across, if you think unlawful action is the only way, then don't expect a pity party when the consequences come.

[Klath]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people that break the law and continually refuse to comply with notices and requests to comply.

Yet you appear to have a lot of sympathy for people that break the law by using tear gas in a non self-defence situation.

[Harrison]

I'd have sprayed them too just for making my job more difficult because they're whiny little twats. They're breaking the law, no sympathy for them, none. I hope it hurt like fuck.

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's intentional ignorance. Typical head in the sand right winger ideology. To not be informed has become a virtue among that group; talk about brainwash.

Right wing, left wing. It's all the same. The only difference now are people who are pro the system currently in place (Republican/Democrats are the same exact thing, for reference please see all the ex-Goldman Sachs in political office through Obama - namely former Obama Treasury Secretary Nominee / thief of $600M+ customer money at MF Global John Corzine) and the people who are against the system progressing deeper into the abyss of corruption and ineptitude. As we make our way into the next coming credit downgrade of the United States (likely before Q2 2012) and the credit crash sparked on by Eurodebt becoming completely unmanageable in both the periphery and core it's going to take a lot more for people to be ignorant of the greed and manipulation taking place and the police force being used to perpetuate things the way TPTB want it move forward.

So while there are those stating whether the recent rash of police brutality and the methods of the protesters are lawful or not, one has to consider who those laws are there to protect. Certainly not the citizens. And if anyone thinks these protests are just a flash in the pan, I envy your naivety. Over the next decade when our government and those of Europe and Asia begin to take the currency wars to the next step and the majority of Americans begin to see their real wealth vanish from hyperinflation, that's when the real protests will start to begin.

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Klath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet you appear to have a lot of sympathy for people that break the law by using tear gas in a non self-defence situation.

Klath, I wasn't even going to respond to your previous post due to the inherent ignorance, but since apparently actually do believe that law enforcement is subject to the portion of the law that you quoted, I'll go ahead and quote an additional excerpt from the link you provided.

• 12403. Nothing in this chapter shall prohibit any person who is a peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, from purchasing, possessing, transporting, or using any tear gas or tear gas weapon if the person has satisfactorily completed a course of instruction approved by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training in the use of tear gas.

In summary, law enforcement isn't bound by utilizing these measure only in the interest of self defense.

[Jerry Garcia]

It's okay because the book says it's okay.