The Dot Stack Thread *TM

[pickled_heretic]

seriously, prima guides are notoriously terrible. i don't really care about the stacking dots or whatever but if someone is trying to use a prima guide as a source for how everquest i just have this to say:

L O L

[gloinz]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

seriously, prima guides are notoriously terrible. i don't really care about the stacking dots or whatever but if someone is trying to use a prima guide as a source for how everquest i just have this to say:

L O L

gotta use 2 book sources and 2 web sources for the works cited bro

[Castle]

You keep shooting down others argument strictly based of the word shaman not beig used. All dot changes refer to "Dots" catagory, not "Shaman Dots" "Necromancer Dots" or "Druid Dots".

Sorry if you consider this unacceptable. Provide actual Sony / verant information stating it's classic and not people's opinion, then we'll talk.

Not true. People (here) who weren't shamans using personal anecdotes are obviously less weighty than shamans, but my argument stands completely on unbiased classic observations, not today's players' opinions.

One vague reference that doesn't specifically mention Shamans, nor would since they are the exception, does not refute an overwhelming Tsunami of unbiased eye witness accounts. Quoting, Stroustrap on C++ pointers may have a lot of weight, unless your using it to prove something about loops. Authority means nothing if the quote isn't specific enough. I provided evidence of someone clearly stacking DoTs and using it to calculate mobs HPs and I calculated it myself on Beta. If the spells didn't stack and he didn't realize it, his numbers would be wrong. Not opinion. Fact.

Fix, please.

[Hangerbaby]

Originally Posted by Castle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not true. People (here) who weren't shamans using personal anecdotes are obviously less weighty than shamans, but my argument stands completely on unbiased classic observations, not today's players' opinions.

One vague reference that doesn't specifically mention Shamans, nor would since they are the exception, does not refute an overwhelming Tsunami of unbiased eye witness accounts. Quoting, Stroustrap on C++ pointers may have a lot of weight, unless your using it to prove something about loops. Authority means nothing if the quote isn't specific enough. I provided evidence of someone clearly stacking DoTs and using it to calculate mobs HPs and I calculated it myself on Beta. If the spells didn't stack and he didn't realize it, his numbers would be wrong. Not opinion. Fact.

Fix, please.

This has got to be the worst attempt at concluding an argument that I've ever seen.

Look, it is well documented that there was a patch that allowed for multiple dots per line to be applied. It is not documented at all that it was in the game beforehand by any figure of authority. The burden of proof is on you. Calculating HP with dots hasn't the least to do with changing server code to please you.

[Castle]

This has got to be the worst attempt at concluding an argument that I've ever seen.

Look, it is well documented that there was a patch that allowed for multiple dots per line to be applied. It is not documented at all that it was in the game beforehand by any figure of authority. The burden of proof is on you. Calculating HP with dots hasn't the least to do with changing server code to please you.

You missed it bro. Even DarthPeon agreed with me on this one. The 2002 patch does not say that it allowed for multiple DoTs to stack per line. It says now that EXACT same DoT from 2 different necros or druids, etc.

You read wrong.

[Tassador]

IGNITE BLOOD IS SO SICK.. Also i zoned with ignite blood and about 13% health and i took a fall for 32000 dmg and lost pve exp... Love it just like classic!!!!!!

[valithteezee]

At this point it seems pretty clear that shaman dot's were able to stack. It's up to the dev's to determine if they think this was a bug all along or something that was done on purpose and is a unique aspect of the class. Bottom line.

The dev's need to decide if they want to keep the integrity of the classic experience or change it to the way they see fit. That's really what is important here.

Honestly, I could care less either way, this will not make or break the defining role of the Shaman.

[Lovely]

Prima guide is the n1 source for all relevant Everquest information

[Melveny]

Originally Posted by valithteezee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At this point it seems pretty clear that shaman dot's were able to stack. It's up to the dev's to determine if they think this was a bug all along or something that was done on purpose and is a unique aspect of the class. Bottom line.

The dev's need to decide if they want to keep the integrity of the classic experience or change it to the way they see fit. That's really what is important here.

Honestly, I could care less either way, this will not make or break the defining role of the Shaman.

What are you talking about??? You use nice words but the "bottom line" is all evidence provided has NOT been concrete enough to back up your statements to make 1 class have a game breaking advantage.

Are we reading the same thread or are you delusional?

[Dfn]

Originally Posted by Melveny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What are you talking about??? You use nice words but the "bottom line" is all evidence provided has NOT been concrete enough to back up your statements to make 1 class have a game breaking advantage.

Are we reading the same thread or are you delusional?

Read the thread in the bug forums or do your own research. How many more sources do we need to cite for you to be convinced? Is it not enough to have direct quotes from multiple PvP Shamans from classic, citations from credible sources such as Shaman's Crucible, and dozens of references to Shaman dot stacking on various player-driven sites.

What is YOUR proof? You are relying on ONE vaguely written patch note that mentions neither Shaman nor Shaman DoTs. Druids and Necros are both specifically talked about in multiple locations whereas Shaman have never been mentioned. Why? Because it was common fucking knowledge to everyone that played a Shaman. Pick any website commonly used back in ~2000 and try to not find any posts that say Shaman dots stack. Think of it like a challenge.