The Dot Stack Thread *TM

[Amuk]

Meh not reading this prima guide, and don't really give a fuck about shamans~

[Castle]

Originally Posted by Doors

You idiots can argue all you want that prima's kunark strategy guide sucks as a reference for information but whenever it came to game mechanics it was correct.

Shaman could stack poison and disease dots but not multiple poison or disease dots.

Sure brah, in the same Norrath where Gnomes begin in Misty Thicket and Halflings have an exp penalty... Real accurate. Sounds like someone is tryna confirm their bias without doing any legwork. Next.

Originally Posted by Melveny

I have a forum post from your exact same page, eqclassics dating 2002 with ten discussing the recently implemented dot stacking, and specifically mention shamans.

I figured eq patch notes were Sufficient and not random Joe's on a forum, I will post later.

It's not about authority, brah, it's about accuracy. A quote from Einstein about candy bars means jack shit if we're talking specific special relativity. Devs never said Shamans can't stack all their DoTs. I've provided a slew of evidence in the Bugs thread. It's overwhelming and clear from multiple sources, even ran tests in game proving it. Here's a snippet from the other thread...

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On the Beta server I tested and validated the numbers from a source I linked. It is shockingly accurate. I show through simple observation at the end he was clearly stacking DoTs, or he would have had different numbers. In other words, INC Haymaker 2.0.. 1.0 was already a knockout, 2.0 is just for show.

web.archive.org/web/20020113123314/http://eq.castersrealm.com/spells/spelldescriptions.asp?Id=1141&Page=2

WHY EB TILL 49???, By Nuuk warchyld (the sacred) rodcet nife (1/28/2001)

Mobs that are level 35 or so like, Dorfs, Ein, Guards etc.. have roughly 1700 hit points. Therefore after level 39 (Venom of Snake) an efficient mana way of killing these mobs is as follows: Lure with Scourge (550dmg), VoS(460dmg), EB(220dmg), ROOT, VoS(460dmg) after 42 seconds. Root to keep mob still to get full dmg from dots in. With out EB you would come up short about 150 dmg therefore having to waste mana on a blast that could get resisted or VoS which takes more mana than EB. With this series of spells you can get right till level 48 killing those mobs with minimal mana loss and downtime. and dont forget to med while waiting for mobs to die. I have used this method on dorfs and lose only 1 bubble of mana per mob i kill. I keep just ahead of 5 dorfs at a time. thats roughly a dorf ever 4 mins with almost no down time since i med between dots not fights. Try it it works great!

I tested these numbers and here is what I found.

First, I checked the spell damage. His spell damage numbers are exact except you can tell he rounded the 1s place so his numbers above have 0s (ex: 219=220.)

Secondly, and more importantly I tested (on the Beta server) his exact strategy on the exact mobs he camped. I had to wait between DoTs because they aren't stacking correctly currently, so it took longer, but damage was the same.

Test 1 -- Target: Balen Kalgun -- Location: BB Docks
Pull with Scourge. Root. With with VoS. Waited for VoS. Hit with Ebreath. Waited for Ebreath to wear off. His with Final VoS. Mob just barely died I think on the last tic of VoS. Exactly as he predicted.
Pictures one, two, three & four

Test 2 -- Target: Thar Kelgand -- Location: BB Docks
Same strategy as above. Same result as above. This dude knew his stuff. Changed UI to make it clearer and got it in 2 screenshots: one & two

Test 3: -- Target: Magnus Boran -- Location: BB Docks
Since he said "With out EB you would come up short about 150 dmg" I tested it without EB to see how much the mob had left. 8% and it took 2 DDs for 82 dmg (162dmg) to kill the mob... The guy was dead on.
Pictures: one & two

Proof is in the pudding lads. On my 2nd 80dmg blast to finish off the final 150 dmg this guy mentions.

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If you're a little slow you may be thinking at this point "so what, what does that prove besides he knew their HP?" Well, he only knew their HP because he stacked the DoTs. If the EBreath didn't stack with VoS the mobs would still have 150hp left whether he decided to cast it while VoS was active or to not cast it all. However, as he states, that was not the case. The mobs only had 150hp left if he didn't stack Ebreath with VoS. In classic and even now IIRC these mobs were always level 35, they always spawned with the same hp; it's the perfect constant for an experiment like this.

In my test I used the spells he said and they had the same result, except I couldn't stack them because the Devs haven't fixed it yet. He's obviously stacking multiple poison DoTs according to his description. He makes no mention of waiting inbetween Scourge and VoS, or VoS and Ebreath, only to wait 42 seconds for the 2nd VoS (which is how long the 1st VoS takes to run its course.) Once again if that Ebreath didn't stack.. there'd still be about 150hp left on the mobs. Life mob versus dead mob = pretty easy to discern the difference, bros.

It's quite simple, but I recommend slow people read that again. There you have it, another proof justified.

It's overwhelmingly clear. When you fixing this, Devs?

[DarthPeon]

Castle's selective testing moved me to a response. For those interested, you can find it in the bug submission thread.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...1&postcount=35

He preaches with a religious fervor second only to Harold Camping

Praise Jesus!

[dogbarf]

This resist system already makes shaman dots retarded op. They used to have a very high resist rate. 70+pr meant it was probably going to take a few casts.

Unlike nukes dots arent partialed as far as I know. Shamans don't need any more help, two dots will already kill pretty much any non healer.

[Melveny]

I wonder how many threads used your exact same argument for blue99.

It's not happening.

You keep shooting down others argument strictly based of the word shaman not beig used. All dot changes refer to "Dots" catagory, not "Shaman Dots" "Necromancer Dots" or "Druid Dots".

Sorry if you consider this unacceptable. Provide actual Sony / verant information stating it's classic and not people's opinion, then we'll talk.

[gloinz]

Originally Posted by dogbarf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This resist system already makes shaman dots retarded op. They used to have a very high resist rate. 70+pr meant it was probably going to take a few casts.

Unlike nukes dots arent partialed as far as I know. Shamans don't need any more help, two dots will already kill pretty much any non healer.

and some healers without cures for disease (noble paladins)

[Truth]

Who cares if shamans are OP. They're supposed to fucking be

Originally Posted by Blart/Fansy

There may never be another mass-market RPG that is so PvP imbalanced ever again, so enjoy it now.

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Before kunark, level 49-50 shaman were the most powerful PvP class in the game.

[gloinz]

Originally Posted by Truth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who cares if shamans are OP. They're supposed to fucking be

not not classic

[Toehammer]

Originally Posted by Melveny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wonder how many threads used your exact same argument for blue99.

It's not happening.

You keep shooting down others argument strictly based of the word shaman not beig used. All dot changes refer to "Dots" catagory, not "Shaman Dots" "Necromancer Dots" or "Druid Dots".

Sorry if you consider this unacceptable. Provide actual Sony / verant information stating it's classic and not people's opinion, then we'll talk.

tl;dr DUDE THE EARTH IS FLAT... YOU NEED TO PROVIDE ME WITH EVIDENCE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER

Castle... you now understand how it feels to know the truth and others are just hiding behind the "derp derp must provide concrete evidence that anything before Arpil 12th 2000 at 7:42:34.55559595943s is not sufficient, because I say so"

Clearly none of these trolls know a shaman from their... well, ya

Best of luck trying to convince the morons! You are on your own now... no time for me to waste on these fools; keep fighting the good fight!

[Melveny]

Originally Posted by Toehammer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tl;dr DUDE THE EARTH IS FLAT... YOU NEED TO PROVIDE ME WITH EVIDENCE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER

Castle... you now understand how it feels to know the truth and others are just hiding behind the "derp derp must provide concrete evidence that anything before Arpil 12th 2000 at 7:42:34.55559595943s is not sufficient, because I say so"

Clearly none of these trolls know a shaman from their... well, ya

Best of luck trying to convince the morons! You are on your own now... no time for me to waste on these fools; keep fighting the good fight!

With a response like this, I don't have to say much.

Derp. Derp.